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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 12:01 
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There probably are enough And I'm sure there will be a benefit. But the data doesn't exist as far as I know, and if it did, we'd find it hard or impossible to distinguish between the benefits of the training and the 'attitude bias' resulting from self selection.

That's true... "Damn You, Confounding Factors!". :(

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On second thoughts... The "attitude bias" should cancel out as it could be assumed to be a common factor regardless of the level of award achieved. But, as you say, the data probably isn't there.

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Has anyone done research on accient 'victim's' experience and training?

even driving experience would b a start.


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"Incremental"?


Aren't semantics fascinating?

Q. Where does the word "etymology" come from...? :D


A. I think it's a degree in cannibalism. Isn't it ?

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Hmmmm, if we start banding terms like kai-zen about we'll be a laughing stock.


More so than currently?

As opposed to using the term "micrometric influence"? One is a recognised term for a process that is used in enlightened management approaches worldwide, the other is something someone made up on the spur of the moment.


That's a bit harsh. Handy is merely trying to find a simple term to describe the effect. Just because phrases such as Kai-Sen are foreign and in common usage doen't mean they are God-given. Somebody must have "thought them up", probably on the spur of the moment. This one might just join them. We'll have to wait and see.

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Coin a phrase like Kai-zen and then you can sell common sense for a fortune!

Are we getting a little divergent here?

are there two issues?

one being driver 'quality' as in skill level

the other being driver 'attention to the process of driving'


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Coin a phrase like Kai-zen and then you can sell common sense for a fortune!

Are we getting a little divergent here?

are there two issues?

one being driver 'quality' as in skill level

the other being driver 'attention to the process of driving'


I think 'driver quality' should be an expression of overall crash risk and take all factors into account. Of course it'll be hard or impossible to measure driver quality for an individual, but it wouldn't be hard to define average driver quality from system risk.

It would be harder to see what changes were taking place in average driver quality because there are other system level changes going on as well.

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popular with management consultant types:

Kai-Zen

"gradual and orderly, continuous improvement"


Oo-er, look what I found...

http://www.dft.gov.uk/press/speechessta ... rbehaviour

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Speech by Minister of State for Transport Stephen Ladyman to the ROSPA conference.

One of the buzzwords in the motor industry during the 1980s and '90s was "kaizen". As some of you will know, "kaizen" is a Japanese business philosophy that has revolutionised car manufacturing around the world.

Crudely translated, it describes a process of striving for excellence through gradual, continuous improvement. To be more efficient, more practical, and more effective each day.

It applies to every level of the organization - so that new ideas from the shop floor are considered just as important as new ideas from the boardroom.

It's a recipe for staying competitive, and remaining ahead of the game, no matter how many targets you've hit, or how delighted your shareholders with their latest dividend.

And yet it's a philosophy grounded in practicality and pragmatism. It understands that in the real world there are always differences in opinion, and when human beings are involved, things don't always go to plan.

The "kaizen" philosophy, I believe, is relevant not just to industry and manufacturing.

It's relevant to you and me.

To everyone who's fighting to reduce casualties on Britain's roads.

Our work is not about finding some new piece of technology, or some new traffic management systems, that's going to slash road deaths by 50% overnight.

It's not about a single central organization having all the ideas, and telling others what to do.

It's about involving everyone - Government, local authorities, charities, safety groups, police, car manufacturers, and many others - and working towards shared goals.

It's about gradual, continuous improvement at all levels. Because we already have high road safety standards - among the best in the world.
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Delivered: 27 February 2006


You are Dr Stephen Ladyman, and I claim my five pounds. :)

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You are Dr Stephen Ladyman, and I claim my five pounds. :)


Best laugh I've had for a while!!!

I suspect I wouldn't mind having his salary, but I hope I have some things he hasn't displayed ... ethics, social responsibility for example.

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You are Dr Stephen Ladyman, and I claim my five pounds. :)


Best laugh I've had for a while!!!

I suspect I wouldn't mind having his salary, but I hope I have some things he hasn't displayed ... ethics, social responsibility for example.


Oh well. Back to the drawing board. But I bet he lurks.

Hello Dr Ladyman. Won't you sign up and join the discussion?

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