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PostPosted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 13:29 
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http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/mot ... 01757.html


Again.. |I could have put this on samandben's long running thread as it's related . but do not want to take the thread into umpteen different directions :popcorn:


We have come across several photos in the press about folk aout there failing to clear windscreens/windows before setting off :banghead: :censored: One article claimed the local plod simply gave one daft woman a scraper. If pulled here .. she would have been prosecuted as well as we just do not tolerate blatant fools :furious:

We believe that there is more to road safety than speed enforced by a camera and that's why Claire and the late Paul won our support as they think likewise. No one advocates driving at high speed for the sake of it .. nor should one campaign for no speed limits/"free for all" :yikes: either :wink: .. but common sense has to apply and far too many out there drive within the speed limit . but are still, quite frankly, too ruddy dangerous by far and we would do better to prosecute - without mercy and certainly with zero tolerance - those folk who fail to clear windscreens/maintain vehicles/drive completely without due care and consideration.

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By Eddie Cunningham


Wednesday January 06 2010

ONE in every three motorists drives off on a frosty morning without being able to see properly because he or she has failed to clear the ice and snow out of the windscreen, a new survey has revealed.

Such is their hurry that they choose instead to clear the screen by letting the car warm up – and this can take some time. But, as several studies on the use of seatbelts have shown, a large proportion of accidents happen near the home and within a short time of starting out on a journey.

According to the survey, carried out by Continental Tyres, most motorists said they were “in too much of a rush” to fully defrost their windows before heading off to work. And men were more guilty than women at revving off into the frosty yonder while peering through a tiny patch of clear glass.

The company polled 4,000 drivers in Ireland and the UK, and found that more than 10pc of respondents had had a nearmiss within the last year because they hadn't cleared their windscreen.

General manager Paddy Murphy said: “Preparation is key when setting out in your car. It is essential to be able to see and to be seen. An astonishing 52pc of people know it is wrong to drive without a fully clear windscreen but fail to do anything about it.”

Common sense is, as they say, not so common, so perhaps a few basic points on driving in treacherous conditions are worth repeating. Stopping distances increase significantly on icy roads, and motorists are six times as likely to be involved in an accident in these conditions.

So check your lights, make sure your windscreen and windows are cleared properly, that your brakes are in good working order and that your tyres have a minimum of 3mm of tread. But above all leave plenty of distance between you and the car in front. This means you will avoid having to slam on the brakes if the driver ahead of you starts to skid. Keeping a good distance allows you to slow down safely and reduces your chances of getting involved in an accident with the driver ahead of you.

One startling statistic that emerged from the survey is that 40pc of respondents said they don’t bother to clean either their mirrors or their rear window before setting off in winter. And, believe it or not, 20pc of respondents admitted they used a credit card to clear the ice from their windscreens. Other findings include:

? 70pc never check tyre tread depth and fail to make sure tyres are roadworthy.

? 25pc don't check to see if their lights are working.

? One in four drivers admit they are not fully awake when they get behind the wheel, and that it takes them at least four minutes of driving time to wake up properly

- Eddie Cunningham



Most of the above cause most of the carnage out there. No one will deny that speed does affect overall outcome all the same .. but we'd rather target the seriously dangerous than the odd muppet who drives - safety conscious enough - at 10%+1 or 2 :wink: above the lolly on an empty road in fair conditions all the same.

Now more later .. next time I get some spare minutes as dcb loves :popcorn: as much as I do :lol: :bow:

The Mad Cats were kind enough to invite me to spend part of their weekend with them at some show for petrolheads like us .. and I plan to tell Jenson that he was on the telly "before he was famous" as a Karting champ as a boy! He said then he'd be an F1 champ :bow: Shall take me autograph book as I am just as much a "wet anorak" as the rest of the bunch of hooligans..

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 19:16 
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Another daftness that has bugged me recently is the behaviour of (Some) 4X4 drivers!

Now *I* am a 4x4 driver and having access to a proper 4x4 (1994 LC80) has been an absolute dream, I have been able to drive through (virgin) 2ft snowdrifts and up really quite steep hills in complete confidence.

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There are many "urban" 4x4 drivers round here (SW Surrey) who seem to confuse the idea that a 4x4 is able to *go* much better than a normal car in poor conditions with the idea that it will be able to "Stop" much better too!

Being able to make progress in conditions that would leave normal cars stranded does NOT mean that you can fly around at 40MPH in packed snow and slush or drive 3ft behind somebody who is (Quite rightly) driving a good bit more cautiosly!


I really hate the "X5" crowd! they give the rest of us a bad name! :x

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When I was taught to drive the MR 4X4 that was the first thing the instructor told me - "This vehicle twice as many driving wheels as your GTI but exactly the same number of braking wheels!"

And the number of people driving around with their headlamps blazing behind two inches of snow!

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All of the recent weather we have had has been well forecast. It's not like we all woke up and got surprised by 10 inches of snow. I didn't have much reason to use the car, but did clear each fresh snowfall off each time, knowing that it was expected to thaw a touch during the day and get very cold at night, so would leave me with a very frozen car. Cleaning the car off meant that when it thawed a bit during the day, the car was almost completely clear when I did need it.

I can slightly understand a young driver that has not experienced a decent snow fall not really appreciating how viability is reduced by not cleaning the whole window area AND bonnet off, and they might not realise that the snow blowing off the roof makes it hard for the person behind to see. But after a day or two there is no excuse, and the is certainly no excuse for an older (over 30) driver. Sometimes I wonder if people have the common sense they fell out of their mother with.

I have been for a drive around today, and there are lots of flat road signs and scrapes in hedges :lol: .

You may think I am stupid (like I care), but I did manage to get to work on my scooter by bouncing over the snow drifts 8-) . The council ended up shutting the road, but I had to use it for access. It was ok was I had got used to it, just go steady and no sudden movements. You certainly learn about grip when you have non.


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