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Wasn't it somewhere on here that it was said that speed is a factor in 100% of accidents?

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Why can't we just use Common Sense?

Not sure who it was to be honest, but if it was then it's perfectly true, yet perfectly useless.

There can be no collision if everything is stationary. That's not an effective basis for a transport network though, so there's little point focusing on reducing speed to the point where accidents can't happen. They can and will happen until all speed is zero.

People who do bleat on about slowing everything down are chasing an impossible dream. Driver's need to focus on getting better at moving, not slowing until mistakes become inconsequential.

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Right, I posted on this rubbish before so I will repeat my self again (and I'm sorry but I can't be bother to wade through 5 pages to see if this point has already been made).

1. You can fake your videos easily. Stop banging on about rendering CGI, it has nothing to do with this. Nobody is going to create a CGI of bad driving as it would take ages and look awful unless you had a very specialist background/equipment. You fake the video by adjusting the viewer's perception of what actually happened. Tweak the zoom = aggressive tailgater, tweak the timebase = speeding nutcase, fake plates on same model car = shop your hated enemy. Video the real, don't try and create the unreal.

2. Video is crap for this kind of thing. Video cameras, especially cheap low resolution ones, foreshorten like anything at the angles you are talking about. I could drive 100yds behind you and your video would make me look like a tailgating nutter. I could pull out for a safe overtake and your video would make it look like I only just avoided the oncoming traffic. In order to get rid of this you would have to mount your camera on a 30ft pole above your vehicle, and then on a 500ft extension infront and behind you to capture the action side-on.

3. What about the other person? If they too have this mythical equipment, then they are recording you. If you shop them, then they will have a record of your plates and your mug. They will then come around your busybody house and kick you in.

4. Only targets the law abiding. If I don't register my car, pay tax or insurance, I can drive like a nutter and your system cannot do anything about it.

On the roads, Police video evidence is only used because it is there to back up the story of a trained officer - the video itself cannot convict you. The only time it would work standalone is when it captures an accident - the contact between objects gets rid of any foreshortening issues.

Even then it can only show that an accident has occurred; it cannot reliably apportion blame (e.g. my post up-thread where I relate what happened to my friend). So, it can never reliably be used stand-alone.

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Will

83 posts... my troll-alarm is ringing....

mosis, do you not find it a little ironic that you come here and break the news to us that we're all so aggressive that we're risking heart attacks, and yet you seem to be so eaten up with hate?

I love driving.

I find po-faced cattle who constantly obey the speed limit a minor irritant, but I just pass them and leave them to do their own speed. Live and let live. If anything I pity them having denied themselves one of life's enjoyments.

I think elsewhere on this forum someone posted the police procedures for handling digital photography which basically was burn ASAP, burn two copies simultaneously and have one timestamped and sealed, use the other for evidence and compare to the sealed one only in court if the authenticity of the other copy is called into question.

I think it's fairly safe to assume the same procedures would be sufficient for handling digital video.

As I said in the other thread. I am currently in the process of fitting such a system to my car. I just need to hook a webcam up to my now working Windows-based Car-PC and get suitable software.

I only intend to use any footage if there is an actual collision (ie. the old pull out on someone then slam on scam).

My plan is to have a CD or DVD burner in the car and as soon as possible after the accident burn it off in a viewable format and give a few copies to the police.

I don't know whether it was here or (more likely) on PistonHeads, but I did say that speed is a factor in all accidents - at the moment of impact.

Best wishes all,
Dave.

Dave!

I suspect that mosis might have a little eye-opener if he visited Darren's site eh? That would confuse him / her.

Anyway.

Listen, mosis.

Your puritanical anti-driving views are tiresome in the extreme, and I am heartily sick and tired (as I was reading The Sensible Majority's posts) of your endless hectoring and halo-polishing. I take serious offence at your constant tarring of all SafeSpeed members (some of which are RoADA Advanced Drivers) and postees as selfish / arrogant / impatient / angry. How dare you. How dare you judge me when you know nothing of my driving attitudes, driving standard, and lifestyle.

I have no problem with speed cameras. My forward planning and observation is sufficient enough for me to spot them in good time; not that they would snap me anyway as I always drive an indicated 5mph above the posted speed limit in 30 / 40 / 50mph areas which is well within the tolerances laid out by the ACPO. Indeed, an indicated 80mph on motorways is also within acceptable limits according to most BiB's.

SafeSpeed's reason for being is that too much reliance is being placed on the flawed theory that adhering to the speed limit automatically makes you a safe driver. An adept and safe driver takes account of a myriad of factors; speed (i.e. anything above 0mph) being a small cog in a large wheel.

It is frustrating that the Comrade Blair / BRAKE / T2000 are too blinkered to see that more inappropriate speed limits are not the answer, but better driver training is the answer.

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Safe yet Swift.

I don't know who Mosis is, but I hope he is not, or never becomes, my next door neighbour !!

Mosis might like to ponder on a recent case where a lorry driver was accused of speeding, and produced his tachograph as evidence that he had not. Magistrates ignored this record produced (a legal requirement of all HGVs), and accepted the police evidence. So how will his camera help him if he is acccused in the same way ?

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Good manners maketh a good motorist

Mosis ("Oz" to his friends, if he has any) is, sadly, one of those people with whom it is impossible to argue. A totally unthinking, self-righteous, holier-than-thou attitude is the hallmark of many a fanatic - or fundamentalist, if you like. Facts do not concern them. Rational debate is like banging one's head against a wall. They are completely impervious to anything that might threaten their sense of being morally superior.

Oz is quite convinced that we who contribute to this site are all cretinous boy racers or shaven-headed morons in chavved-up cars, whose one idea is to blast around Britain's roads at the highest possible speed, leaving devastation and carnage in our wake.

The briefest examination of this site and the very sensible - and at best extremely erudite - postings from SS supporters would prove that such a view is completely untenable. Unfortunately poor sad Oz and his ilk don't like facts, or evidence, or indeed the real world - they desperately need to believe their own fantasies and, rather more frighteningly, want to force their views on everyone else.

The recent, and disturbing, Channel 4 documentary on animal "rights" fanatics exposed their warped mentality - the anti-car lobby are not very much different.

Ever see the movie or game of Final Fantasy?? Sometimes I truly wasn't sure if they had an actress in, only certain angles did I realise it was PC generated..

Also, Saving Private Ryan for example, you think people were really shot in the head making the beach scene in that movie??

Stop thinkin' CGI is all about Lord of the Rings and fantasy make believe images, when they use it to do things that are / can be real, IT IS REALISTIC.


Also, why do you think sticking to the speed limit is safe?? is a 60mph safe at 60mph in rush hour?? not normally, but it is at most times.

Speed limits are a guide and are the Maximun speed it's safe to drive at in Good conditions, not a rule of thumb. So before you have a go at us casual speeders (by the way, I do most of my speeding in the middle of the night and on roads I know, usually motorways / dual carriageways where the chances of killing someone other than myself are very slim), look at yourself... "I DRIVE AT THE LIMIT, IT'S SAFE" WRONG!!! it CAN be safe at UPTO the limit depending on conditions, traffic, sounds in your car, maintainance of your car, whether you've slept properly, are you on medication, are your glasses steamed up because it was raining, did a truck just spill diesel that's invisible to your normal eyesight, is there black ice that's also invisible.... Must I continue???

Speed limits are a fantastic idea in 90% of places at a good portion of the time, but shouldnt' be taken to mean DO 30MPH HERE, 40MPH HERE etc.. because a 30mph zone at school kickin' out time is almost definately dangerous at 30mph.

So.. HOW exactly are you gonna get me done for tailgaiting?? I'm on a motorbike with no front numberplate, wearing a helmet and if I'm tailgaiting, it's probably because the frickin' muppet infront of me who thinks 70mph must NEVER be exceeded is in the outside lane doing 70mph whilst the car in the middle lane is also doing 70mph and the inside lane (usually clear) may also be doing 70mph. BUT 1 slowed down to 69mph on that very slight hill, so mr sensible moved to the next lane rather than tailgaiting... and it goes on until no one can move for all lanes doing 70mph until inside lane approaches truck / coach doing 56mph / 62mph...

Also, 99% of trucks are restricted to 56mph and 100% of those have their foot welded to the floor / cruise control turned on / stick wedged on throttle... YET they don't do exactly the same speed and 1 will have to move to middle for several miles to go past truck on inside doing .001mph less.. NONE of them are speeded, yet 1 is overtaking the other.

Also, a car with a caravan on the back, limited to 60mph on motorway, doing 60mph on motorway, gust of wind hits caravan, starts it swerving... easiest way to pull it into line is to accelerate and then ease off after it's settled, BUT mr mosis with his big brother cam catches him doing 65mph and get's him done for possibly saving lives and havoc caused by an out of control caravan.

Mosis, go live on ya little island by yourself then no1 can endanger you and you'll still end up having an accident. Ever heard of the dangers of monotony??

You may well drive at bang on the limit, but I bet you don't notice half of what I do whilst speeding, my reactions are on the limit, I'm watching as far ahead as I can, and I'm watching for the slightest movement / glance that a car might be moving.. I'm on a motorbike of course at this time and my life depends on me noticing these things. I bet you're 1 of those people that cut across lanes infront of bikes to slow them down because they shouldn't be speeding, or pull out of a perfectly empty lane infront of someone to slow them down because they're dangerous.. MUPPET, you want to travel at legal speeds and aren't in a rush to get anywhere, USE PUBLIC TRANSPORT and stop polluting the planet with your wasted fuel.

You think you're so perfect, but if there's no rush to get somewhere, why not use a horse, or bicycle, or bus or train or walk, why ruin the planet by using a car in the 1st place??? Because you want to get there in a set amount of time.

Oh Mosis, can I ask your age please?? I'm not an 18yr old boy racer btw, I'm a responsible professional driver, I speed in my own vehicles. BUT as I said, is the M25 safer at 70mph at 5pm or at 100mph at 1am??

OK, Crime in this country is terrible at the moment, mainly criminal damage, we haven't got enough police, so what's your answer, to give them 10million clips of 'incidents' on the road everyday to filter through, sort out, database and log so they can check if bloke a in car a did something stupid more than ... how many times per day?? 10? 5?... then go and prosecute him.. OK, great, that's him off the road for 12 mths, possibly out of a job, but got bills to pay so he either a) drives illegally, b) does other crime to pay his bills (let's face it, it'd be easy with all those police in their nice warm offices lookin' at videos all day)

Get real, it would be nice when some muppet drives into you to have a cam to prove who's fault it was, or when u swerve to avoid said muppet and are involved in another accident to get the muppet done, but as for everytime some1's on the phone, speeded, overtakes in a bad place or cuts you up, GET REAL, it happens too often, I know, I drive a coach for a living and see more than my share of it and it's a lot more than 2-5 per hour that was estimated before.

We have coaches with cams installed and tacho's, everything is covered, from what I do, to where the car comes from to whether there was space for it to squeeze in, an they're given in to police / insurance companies ONLY if there's an accident or a claim (ie, I brake hard and someone falls on the coach)... How often do you think anyone's prosecuted off these???
I'll tell you... NEVER in the case of a none collision incident and I don't actually know of any in a collision either.

Finally, I can actually agree with you for a change...
Yes, when they're working / on a break, 50mph (or 40 in most cases) limits are there and NEED TO BE OBEYED. But what about when they go home and they leave the signs up, it's still a 40mph zone accordin' to the sign, but it's safe to do 70mph because it's a 3 lane motorway. They should cover the signs at the end of the shift, wouldn't take long.
People should obey these signs wherever they see them, as they're not usually for a long distance, it won't kill you to do 1/2 your normal speed for say 1 - 2 miles (will take and extra 30 secs to 1 min) but may killl a workman running across the road because there's debrit there and he's running over to get it to stop it puncturing your tyres for instance.
Please, think about things like this before you speed in roadworks.