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If you really want to make yourself puke, see here:

http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/page361.htm

Apparently Hull has more 20 mph zones per head of population than anywhere else in the country

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

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I know the area of which you speak.

Anything moving at less than 20mph there will either get stolen, vandalised or mugged.

I can well believe that as I have to drive to Hull on a regular basis.

Many of them are utterly stupid and on roads with very low hazard density - these tend to be enforced by traffic cushions which permit most drivers to keep well over 20. The local police are the worst for ignoring the limits - they treat them as if they weren't there.

I was infuriated by a claim in the local paper that these 20 zones cut crashes, what they failed to mention is that overall fatalities in the region have increased (ever since the conception of humberside safety camera partnership actually - a coincidence?)

Any reported benefits of these zones are likely to be due to misunderstanding of statistics and subsequent flawed claims generated by the SCP's full time propaganda generator and the local council.

Something important I must point out about many of the 20 zones in Hull: Many of them occured at the same time as extensive re-engineering of roads on the estates that they enforce. A lot of this engineering prevents drivers cutting through the estate so the only alternative is to drive around it using the main roads. Much of this has completely wiped out through traffic - so if the reduction in crashes are statistically significant its probably becuase the accidents are happening elsewhere - ie on the main roads. This theory is supported in the overall increase in fatal crashes for humberside.

I know the signs you're talking about... Assuming they're around Queen's... I think these signs might actually be okay, beacuse the pictures are seperate from the actual signs... As in a black line seperating them... Maybe I'm wrong, it's been a while... I think they could be dangerous in a different way though... Child looks at sign, thinks he/she is safe, runs across road, oblivious to the fact a car at 20mph probably has enough KE to kill/injure him/her...

If we were taught to drive properly, as in, taught to select an appropriate speed for conditions, and people followed this, there would be absolutely no need for 20 zones, as people would automatically know that this area has x schools and playgrounds (with the triangle school and playground signs), I should slow down a bit... It's possibly the government trying to undo years of damage that can probably not be undone now, as there are too many drivers that could not select appropriate speeds for the conditions...

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Mike

Pass the sick-bag, Alice.

Poor little brainwashed b******s.

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Save a cow - eat a vegetarian

Ha! Just you wait until Portsmouth potentially turn the whole of their city into a 20mph zone (excluding major roads, although even some of these are 20mph!).

That's absolutely right, Sixy_the_red, and so is the corollary - we really need speed limits precisely because people don't understood the consequences of their driving or actually don't care about what they are risking. Immediate gratification is far more sexy than benevolence or concern for other road users.

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I stole this .sig

A bit of an own goal this one - I just couldn't help laughing at this one!!

Well BW, what is needed are sensible limits, not some sign which gives you carte blanch to drive like a lunatic and remain legal, or slow you down pointlessly, with NO safety benefit, only increased frustration from those drivers who dont understand the consequences of their driving!.
Take a look at this thread, and have a go yourself!

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Time to take responsibility for our actions.. and don't be afraid of speaking out!

Have you actually read the postings on this site, BW - or is blind prejudice far more sexy than reality?

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Save a cow - eat a vegetarian

People who try to drive to make themselves look 'sexy' are complete tossers. But what has that got to do with this campaign?