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Oh und as for creating danger by planting triffids .. check out this link (really one for soapbox :soap: :wink)

http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/4546803. ... th_hazard/


But it bear out what MM und IG said already

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I think he would be done as I think it already prohibited vehicle

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Wildcat, you've hit the nail on the head there.

Usually you find that when villages are supposed to have a "speeding problem" is usually just the warped imagination of a small handful of people with nothing better to do, than make up imaginary "problems" for their parish councillors to try and sort out. The vast majority of sensible residents know that there is no real problem, so ignore these "busybodies".

We had a local village that complained of "speeding" motorists for years, until the police did a check and found average speeds to be well below the 30MPH speed limit.

Just as this "gooddriversam" person imagines there to be 120 houses on three very narrow lanes, and the fact that middle age drivers are more dangerous than young drivers, they also imagine that there was a "speeding problem" in their village that has suddenly dissappeared due to a few idiots driving a tractor up and down.

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

Two canards there.
First: it is a tenant of SS that "speeding" means travelling at a speed inappropriate for the conditions and can occur at an absolute speed well bellow 30mph.
Second: a population with an average speed of 30mph can have many members travelling at 60 mph. (25% at 60 and 75% at 20 is an average of 60)

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Firstly ,it was a main, through road (probably NSL not too long ago and in all honesty it would be struggling to call itself a village under Dept for Transport Guidelines), the average was 26MPH with only a handful found to be going over 30MPH.

Secondly, the police didn't seem to think there was a problem with "speeding".

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

Also check out a Bolton News story .. think I spot that one und put in either News or Chat. Anyway locals complain of "speeding" at Blackrod which ist one of towns along A6. I think A6 here has NSL or was recently reduced to 50 mph One of the roads joining this has 30 mph limit. Folk say the cars are 70 mph on this 30 mph road. They got the police to monitor. One of the police actually lives on this road or uses to get to work each day. He commented that he had never seen anyone driving at such speed in all the time he lived there. When police audited .. they were of the opinion that no one was actually speeding und there exist no danger. The woman who collide with the tree on nearby A6 a few year ago was not speeding. She was a teacher und she suffer a heart attack on her way home from a parents' evening. Her accident led to the 50 mph limit though,.... as I understand from the paper und local letter at time.. I think we post up that story as it report at time too.

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We had a nasty accident on a very busy trunk road about a year ago where an old couple collided with a lorry. Local residents were up in arms writing to the paper about lorries speeding along that road at 70MPH....yes 70MPH and wanting a 40MPH limit for all, making out that it was such a "dangerous road".

It turned out that the old guy had a heart attack.

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

I must be out of step with SS thinking here! I regard "speeding" as simply exceeding the speed limit. An absolute, measurable offence. I regard driving at an inappropriate speed for the conditions as something completely different - although I accept that it can overlap with "speeding". To be honest, I'd prefere to define it as "driving within the speed limit but at an inappropriate speed for the conditions" to keep them completely separate offences. I think SS is against automated enforcement of speed limits and that can only ever addres the first problem. The authorities know this (or ought to by now ) because the huge proliferation of the infernal devices has had little impact on the KSI figures over the last 10 years, so they're now lowering speed limits right left and centre!

Which I would shorten to "speeding" as opposed to the absolute offence which I refer to as "exceeding the posted speed limit"

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You're swimming against the tide, my good man!

I think the "VHS" vs "Betamax" effect means that the bulk of the public think of "speeding" as "exceeding the speed limit" (sayings like "I got a speeding ticket the other day"). I also have a feeling that they don't, as a rule, think about "inappropriate speed within the limit" much at all.

What's more, the governmen't policy of reducing speed limits all over the place is only likely to reinforce such a perception because eventually, when they reduce the speed limits down to walking pace, there really WILL be no such thing as "inappropriate speed within the limit" at all!

I agree that yours is technically the better way of expressing it but it might be one of those things we just have to live with!

Sorry. What's your point?

So the road near where I live which used to be a NSL but has since become means that all you 'safe' drivers, (dcb, weepej etc...). who were doing greater than the day before it was introduced were in fact driving dangerously but for the fact that a wasn't there sooner?

I think your avatar is trying to locate someone who doesn't speed Mr Whaley

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

Interesting that you say I was travelling at such a speed that I could not stop within the distance I could see (presumably you meant "see to be clear") when clearly that is not the case as I came to a controlled no panic stop in good time before the driveway exit .... how did you come to that conclusion?

Perhaps you could give me some advice? I'm travelling along a NSL and see a large bush at the road side, I can't see the other side of the bush so have no idea if there is a deer, sheep, dog, cat, child, delirious hillwalker, suicidal space invader machine, lurking there ready to throw itself under my wheels without any warning ... what would you regard as a safe speed range to pass the bush at?

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You only need two tools - WD40 and duct tape. If it doesn't move and it should, use WD40. If it moves and it shouldn't, use duct tape. :0)

But, here on SS, we are not the bulk of the people. We actually think about these things

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

In those circumstances the safest thing to do would be to stop your car, put on the hazard lights, get out and walk round the bush to ensure that there are non of those hazards at the other side before driving cautiously along the road. And if you had a moment to spare you might investigate the meaning of the word "irony"

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

All very interesting I'm sure, and no I don't have a moment to spare right now so I guess the meaning of irony will just have to pass my by for now ..... but it still doesn't answer my first question as to how you came to the conclusion I was travelling too fast.

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You only need two tools - WD40 and duct tape. If it doesn't move and it should, use WD40. If it moves and it shouldn't, use duct tape. :0)

I said that if you had suffered the hypothetical accident because of the hypothetical foliage then, in those hypothetical circumstances, your hypothetical speed would have been too high for the hypothetical conditions.

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

bliddy hell tone... do you KNOW how fast things go up there in space ?
it's just not safe to step outside your own front door.

PDQ I imagine

Say ed, I reckon you can do up 40 mph on your Specialized on the flat. I know you're quicker than me and my old legs, (51 today actually ). So have you ever set a camera off on your bike?

What about all the cyclists bombing through the village at 25 to 30 mph? I guess the villagers don't mind them because they're quiet, giving the impression of 'slow' and it's not a car, or carry a number plate, so it doesn't count.

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

hummm.. yes but not for very long !
a few downhill sections where 30+ is easy peasy however, there's a VAS sign round here which is fair game for triggering, although there's also a turning on the left at that point so you have to make yourself look big and fast

i think we digress... but anyway the speccy is the training bike.. its the TT bike you want to be worried about