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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 20:09 
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Steering? Leaning? Counter-steering?

And now back-pedaling! :lol:

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First you slate the 'jump' - which clearly is a well-known technique, and in the right situations can be a life-saver.


Well known with who, what training establishment trains riders to jump in the event of an impending accident :?:

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Then, you deny any knowledge of counter-steering - despite you being a high-mileage, ex-racer, motorcyclist.


No mention of counter steering, the post was steering :!:


I can't let this go. Earlier you wrote:

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If I want to steer a bike I do it with the handlebars


This is all new to me, i steer a bike via leaning it, at no time whilst riding would you turn the handle bars.

Unless it is just being wheeled around, from a parked position


This forum is largely populated by serious people who value their time and this nonsense is just a waste of everyone's time. I don't know if you post without thinking, or if you don't know what you're talking about or if you are deliberately disruptive. I urge you to consider your posts much more carefully in future. I don't like the way this has gone, and I'm considering my options for dealing with it.

PLEASE refrain from making disruptive and nonsensical posts.

Neither do I expect to discuss the matter in the forums - and that applies to everyone. If it needs discussion it will have to be by email.

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bmwk12 wrote:
My point being that the bike would be leaned to the right to turn right. Now if you look at your own clip you will in fact see the bike is leaned to turn, at no time is the bike kept straight, and just turning the handle bars to turn.

My comment is completley accurate :!:

Bikes are turned by leaning, countersteer is irrelevant to the point being made.

And how is the bike made to lean? Counter-steering! :roll:

BTW, if I misunderstood you I apologise, but you did say
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at no time whilst riding would you turn the handle bars

Since counter-steering obviously involves moving the bars and you clearly stated that you don't steer to corner...


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Who said anything about a pillion?


You did, see below

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and rides long distances almost every weekend with his wife.

She has her own bike! Another example of assumption. :?

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bmwk12 wrote:
Well known with who, what training establishment trains riders to jump in the event of an impending accident :?:


If you're going to ask questions, try to ask one I haven't already answered in an earlier post:

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I was taught this by the police officer who used to train all the Hampshire police patrol motorcyclists? I guess you're suggesting his planning wasn't up to scratch either. What level of planning do you suggest he should consider?


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I thought it was Basingwerk Abbey in Holywell I recall. Or odes basingwerk parchament come from there too ?


There was a papermill at the very bottom of the Well Hill, where it meets the coast road, near the abbey. There is a speed camera there now, so be careful.

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And now back-pedaling! :lol


Cannot help your lack of understanding :!:

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Since counter-steering obviously involves moving the bars and you clearly stated that you don't steer to corner


No, we do not steer to corner, a m/cycle is leaned to corner, how we get the motorcycle in & out of that lean is irrelevant to the discussion.

The point was, that the riders weight would be put to the right, as an automatic responce, when a vehicle would impact on the left. The other posters view that a rider could somehow get their weight back over the bike and jump off & over the bonnet of a car is not possible.

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The point was, that the riders weight would be put to the right, . . The other posters view that a rider could somehow get their weight back over the bike and jump off & over the bonnet of a car is not possible.


I'd love you to quote the post of mine, or section of the web article, which mentions leaning body weight to one side and then back. Basically, I didn't say it, you've invented it.

Do you actually read anyone's posts before starting to type, because it doesn't come over that way?


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I'd love you to quote the post of mine


It was not your post :!:

Stick to discussion, rather than this argumentative drivel :!:

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Since counter-steering obviously involves moving the bars and you clearly stated that you don't steer to corner


No, we do not steer to corner, a m/cycle is leaned to corner, how we get the motorcycle in & out of that lean is irrelevant to the discussion.

I'm sorry bmwk12 but that's semantic nonsense. How do you get the bike to lean? Using the steering i.e. the handlebars.

I asked you earlier if you'd like to ride a bike that doesn't steer at all. I note that you haven't yet volunteered to have a go. This suggests to me that you are fully aware that you do need to use the steering to corner but you don't want to come out and say so.


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I asked you earlier if you'd like to ride a bike that doesn't steer at all. I note that you haven't yet volunteered to have a go.



Fully ready to have a go, i but only need a few mm movements either way, can do figure of eight's if you like.

Would also like to see anyone corner a bike without leaning it :?:

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PLEASE refrain from making disruptive and nonsensical posts.



About sums your post up, Paul :!:

I suggest you read the entire thread, which will help you see your mis-understandings.

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Welcome to round one of the inaugural Safe Speed in house pissing contest. Seconds out, flamethrowers primed. DING DING.

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