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 Post subject: New Child Car Seat Law
PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 11:48 
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I wasn't aware of the new law coming into effect from 18th September 2006 regarding child car seats, until today.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4781511.stm

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I expect police to use common sense, not put out major dragnets... but to appear at the school gates from time to time to give people advice - Road Safety Minister Stephen Ladyman


Any chance we could have some of the police he mentions back out on the roads and get rid of a few 'safety cameras'? Or will we have cameras outside schools next to ensure our children are appropriately strapped in?

And I particularly liked this bit:
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Mr Ladyman recognises that in some cases "there will be hell to pay". He suggests parents blame him.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 08:46 
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I see they have made the law simple so that everone can understand it..



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There three cases where a child between three and 12 years old may travel in the back of a car using no more than an adult seat belt:


short and occasional journeys made for reasons of "unexpected necessity" (so not on regular school runs, but you don't need to worry if you are picking up a friend's child because he or she has been unexpectedly detained at work)
two other children are already using restraints in the back seat, leaving no room for a third. (However, it would often be safer for the child to travel with a restraint in the front seat.)
in taxis
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Children under three may travel in the back of a taxi without a special seat or cushion
In old cars with no seat belts - children between three and 12 may travel in the back seat, though the Department for Transport points out that this is "not safe"
Emergency vehicles, including ambulances and police cars, are exempt
What else does the new law change?

Here are three more changes:


Seated bus and coach passengers over the age of 14 must use seat belts where fitted
From May 2008, child and baby seats must meet a standard known as UN ECE regulation 44.03, or the higher standard 44.04 - this means they will be marked with an E and the numbers 44.03, or .03
From May 2009, all passengers in any vehicle will have to use an appropriate restraint (baby seat, child seat, booster seat/cushion) or seat belt, where seat belts are fitted


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We got our youngest sons back into seats when it was announced... rather have the arguments out of the way in advance.

But .. we have almost two year old.. und so.. the two youngest in seats und Lukas the older boy in the middle. Still have grumbles between Lukas und Andrew about all this though..

Und ist not Ladylad who brought it in.. but some busy body in Belgium... :roll:

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This is something where I don't understand why they don't do something about it:

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In old cars with no seat belts - children between three and 12 may travel in the back seat, though the Department for Transport points out that this is "not safe"


If a car is that old that it doesn't have rear seat belts, then either it is used for show purposes only or if used as an everyday car, then perhaps it should be made law to have seatbelts fitted in the back. Until a few years ago, I had an old car where no rear seatbelts had been fitted and the first thing I did when I got it was to have some put in so that I could strap my children in.

Sounds like you had a good idea in implementing this in advance Wildcat. Maybe I didn't take much notice when news of this first came out as only one of my children is under 12 and he uses a booster seat anyway.


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Yesterday I had a 10 year old in my car. I never even thought about this law, it's the first time ever I've had a passenger under the age of 14.

I knew about 2 days before that I would have to carry one person out of the group of 4 adults and 3 children, but I did not know which or how many. (it could have been two under 12s)
Would I be able to say that this was an 'unexpeted necessity' or would I have had to go to all the trouble, on a weekend, of buying and fitting a car seat because maybe one (or two!) of them would be under 12?
It is very unlikely that I will have any passengers under 12 for a long, long time.

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Miss Fired wrote:
If a car is that old that it doesn't have rear seat belts, then either it is used for show purposes only or if used as an everyday car, then perhaps it should be made law to have seatbelts fitted in the back.

I know a 17 year old who has an Austin A35 van. It's her only car. I think it has seat belts in the front...
One problem with fitting seat belts to the rear is although it isn't hard to fit them somewhere, it can be hard to find somewhere which is strong enough that they won't just rip off in the event of an accident.
Obviously it is better to have no seat belts than to have ones which will break as soon as they are needed. So there can be problems but if seatbelts can be fitted easily I suppose it's a good idea to fit them.

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Would I be able to say that this was an 'unexpeted necessity'

You could say it, but I don't doubt you would have to say it in court after refusing to accept the fixed penalty notice. Then you would be reliant upon the random mystery factor that dictates which way the magistrate's wind is blowing on that day to determine whether it was actually unexpected and necessary, or merely one or the other or neither.

Then they crush your car just to be sure.


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