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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 14:18 
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Quizzical letter in The Times today.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0, ... 75,00.html

Lower the speed limit

Sir, Gabriel Rozenberg chastises the Transport Secretary for an apparent failure of will in the implementation of a national road charging scheme (“Friendly gizmos that will abolish traffic jams”, Feb 7).
He must be unaware of the report from Imperial College for the Energy Saving Trust, pointing out that road pricing would add to CO2 emissions. This comes at a time when Department for Transport policy is being scrutinised by the Parliamentary Environmental Audit Committee because of apparent failures in just this respect.

The only way to both beat the jams and reduce CO2 is through lower national speed limits. That is one of the important recommendations made to the department in the Visioning and Backcasting for UK Transport Policy (Vibat) study produced by Halcrows and UCL last month.

Mr Darling does not want to speed up on road pricing but to slow down. When the maximum speed limit is 50mph, as recommended by the Vibat study, there will be no congestion and no need for road charging.


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... Visioning and Backcasting for UK Transport Policy (Vibat) study produced by Halcrows and UCL last month.


Anything with a title like this is almost guaranteed to be a load of b******s.

Who are Greenspeed?

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Ronald Sharp wrote:
The only way to both beat the jams and reduce CO2 is through lower national speed limits.

By the same token, can we have all the 30 and 40 limits increased to 50? (especially the ones which were reduced for no reason!). Also, cars with bigger engines are more efficient at higher speeds. Why not go all the way and demand that we all ‘burn then coast’- with engines off?

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When the maximum speed limit is 50mph…… there will be no congestion …….

He obviously has no idea what causes congestion: a combination of a lack of judgement (leading to poor manoeuvres), lack of observation, laziness when a reaction is needed and an element of greed.

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……..and no need for road charging.

How naïve is he? :roll:


Ronald Sharp is anything but!


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Ronald Sharp wrote:
When the maximum speed limit is 50mph, as recommended by the Vibat study, there will be no congestion


How on earth can he be so sure on that one?

Is the M74/A74(M) to be subject to this 50mph limit to reduce the non-existent congestion?


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Greenspeed google as a motorsport concern or a recumbent bicycle manufacturer.

However, google also turned up this parliamentary evidence given by Greenspeed which should explain this gentleman's stance.

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 18we36.htm


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Is this a ploy to say to us - it's either ROAD PRICING or lower speed limits


And another way to reduce emmission problems -caused by varying engine speeds - get rid of humps - now a major health concern, and costing the NHS ( the thing speed is also suppossed to do ) -according to press reports.
- problem is -has every LA got a big enough budget to afford this measure.

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Is this a ploy to say to us - it's either ROAD PRICING or lower speed limits


Totally agree. They want "pay per mile" on the motorways so badly, you can count on them to use every trick in the book.

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antera309 wrote:
botach wrote:
Is this a ploy to say to us - it's either ROAD PRICING or lower speed limits


Totally agree. They want "pay per mile" on the motorways so badly, you can count on them to use every trick in the book.


Now after Dunfermline ( and remember who'se next door) can blair and brown afford to try it on any more ?

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Totally agree. They want "pay per mile" on the motorways so badly, you can count on them to use every trick in the book.


In much the same was as the ID card lies are changing from week to week

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blademansw wrote:
antera309 wrote:
Totally agree. They want "pay per mile" on the motorways so badly, you can count on them to use every trick in the book.


In much the same was as the ID card lies are changing from week to week



Yes, they're getting pretty desperate now. One can only conclude from their desparation, that something more sinister is on the agenda regarding ID cards.


After the use of the London Bombings to try and justify the 90 day laws and the efforts to try and get something similar ,even though it's not as long - wouldn't be surprised to see a cynical use of the denmark and other unrest to try and get some other ideas through.
There was an interesting bit in the press about the demos in london - the police said that they felt that going mob handed would only fuel more problems - they said they had photographers in action and would not be taking any "snap " decisions - like on the roads , perhaps.

Now when the miners took action,/ in Wapping - they didn't mind going in with batons at the ready - why the change of heart - oh silly me - miners and the press don't walk into heathrow and go pop.

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johno1066 wrote:
Secondly, the Force as a whole use 'positive' rascism...


Positive Discrimination is the name of the policy, and it is applied to most public sector jobs.

The rationale behind it is to 'correct' the inequalities between the representation of minorities in public sector posts and the percentage of the population they make up.

Whatever happened to 'best person for the job'????!!!


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johno1066 wrote:
blademansw wrote:
antera309 wrote:
Totally agree. They want "pay per mile" on the motorways so badly, you can count on them to use every trick in the book.


In much the same was as the ID card lies are changing from week to week



Yes, they're getting pretty desperate now. One can only conclude from their desparation, that something more sinister is on the agenda regarding ID cards.


It's EXACTLY the same type of desperation as for ID cards. Which means that there must be money for them in ID cards somewhere, although it's not immediately apparent. Selling the biometric data to private companies, perhaps?

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Ah, you mean the printers in Wapping? :lol: .If you look at the way the Police dealt with the more recent Countryside alliance march, in that the Police were much more liberal with their batons on hunt protestors at that march....


It's more than just "positive discrimination". The Terrorist is the Government's best friend at the moment, providing them with the justification they need to push through their reforms to reduce civil liberties, not to mention continued military action in the Middle East.

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Roger wrote:
Quizzical letter in The Times today.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0, ... 75,00.html

Lower the speed limit

Sir, Gabriel Rozenberg chastises the Transport Secretary for an apparent failure of will in the implementation of a national road charging scheme (“Friendly gizmos that will abolish traffic jams”, Feb 7).
He must be unaware of the report from Imperial College for the Energy Saving Trust, pointing out that road pricing would add to CO2 emissions. This comes at a time when Department for Transport policy is being scrutinised by the Parliamentary Environmental Audit Committee because of apparent failures in just this respect.

The only way to both beat the jams and reduce CO2 is through lower national speed limits. That is one of the important recommendations made to the department in the Visioning and Backcasting for UK Transport Policy (Vibat) study produced by Halcrows and UCL last month.

Mr Darling does not want to speed up on road pricing but to slow down. When the maximum speed limit is 50mph, as recommended by the Vibat study, there will be no congestion and no need for road charging.


RONALD SHARP
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I assume it will be OK for the motorcycle speed limit to be increased to 100mph as we don't need the same road space.

while we are at it - there must be some merit in reducing the speed of trains too.


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