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PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 10:11 
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Oh joy - Claire won't like this :(

https://transportscotland.presscentre.com/content/detail.aspx?ReleaseID=225&NewsAreaId=2

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A new average speed camera system, which will run from Dunblane to Inverness, is to be installed on the A9 to improve safety.

Transport Minister Keith Brown visited Blackford along the route today (26 July) to see one of the areas that will benefit from the scheme. He was accompanied by Superintendent Iain Murray from Police Scotland and Michael McDonnell, Director of Road Safety Scotland.

The decision to introduce the system follows an on-going review of evidence as well as careful consideration of the views of members of the A9 Safety Group over the last year.

The A9 system will be the second in Scotland. The first was installed on the A77 in Ayrshire between Bogend Toll and Ardwell Bay in 2005. Since then it has delivered a 46 per cent reduction in fatal accidents and 35 per cent reduction in serious accidents.

The camera system will back up a number of measures that have been introduced on the A9 in a bid to improve safety in recent years. More than £50 million has been invested in safety and structural improvements on the route since 2007. This includes improved consistency of signing and lining, improved geometry and safety barrier works as well as variable messaging signs displaying journey times.

Transport Minister Keith Brown said:

“The A9 is one of Scotland’s most important routes, linking Inverness to the rest of the country and it is extremely important that it is as safe as possible for all road users.

“The A9 Safety Group has recommended that an average speed camera system is introduced to help cut down on the number of accidents and Transport Scotland will now take this forward.

“While the Scottish Government believes that dualling will be the long-term solution to the safety issues on the A9 - we are the first administration committed to making the road dual carriageway all the way from Perth to Inverness a reality - we also want to make the immediate improvements that will bring positive changes to driver behaviour.

“Average speed cameras systems have a proven track record of reducing casualties and excessive speed and their high visibility leads to better compliance of the speed limit.

“We hope to see the first of the cameras introduced early next year and expect the system to be fully operational in the Summer of 2014.”

Superintendent Iain Murray from Police Scotland said:

“Police Scotland is committed to making Scotland's roads safer and any initiative that furthers that aim is welcome. Average speed cameras have previously proved their ability to reduce casualties on other major roads in Scotland and analysis shows that there will be similar benefits on the A9.

“There is no doubt that this announcement will help to reduce the concerns of a great many people who have made their concerns about safety on the road known in recent days however it is clear that the introduction of the system will take some time.

“I would therefore wish to reassure all road users that in the meantime the Trunk Roads Patrol Group will continue to provide a higher level of patrols on the A9, as well as other strategic routes in Scotland, to influence road user behaviour, encourage better driving and enforce legislation when required.”

Director of Road Safety Scotland, Michael McDonnell said:

“The A9 Safety Group’s objective is to positively influence driver behaviours in a way that helps reduce road casualty figures.

“It has been demonstrated in other locations that average speed cameras reduce the number of people being killed and seriously injured and this offers real potential to improve safety on the A9 ahead of the dualling programme.”

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 10:03 
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Oh Joy............:(

I stopped using the A9 a few years ago (well for most of my movement around the socialist republics of Scotland).

136miles of thumb in the bum sheep driving in up each others' boots for mile after mile after mile...

More low speed shunts would not surprise me!

And....for those more prone to mental arithmetic and in possession of a good speed cam alert system - one which calculates such averages between scams- having been stuck for 10 miles at 40 within the herd of sheep, a good straight could yield 20 cars in a 90mph terminal overtake with point-to-point average velocity still be well below the limit.

Eventually two drivers with the same idea might meet up in opposite directions and find returning to the line of sheep to their left tricky (they will after all be 'pushing in'). This is the case already but at least the traffic does spread out occasionally without the Omni-present scammers.

I feel a negative consequence is quite likely to such a mind-numbingly horrific level of (attempted) micro-management.

The other routes north will still be more fun and now quicker AND safer too!

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 22:08 
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So now nobody will dare pass that bumbler at the head of the queue for fear they will bump their average speed over the limit.

Leading to longer nose to tail queues. Making risky behaviour by the few even more dangerous.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 08:24 
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Hey we all know that road safety is all about speed, so if everyone's going slow, nothing can possibly go wrong....can it???

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 22:38 
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graball wrote:
nothing can possibly go wrong....can it???


Nobody will notice if it does, they'll have their eyes on the speedometer for 137 miles.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 10:02 
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I gave a really good quote to the Scotland on Sunday but now can't see it ! :(

It is disgraceful and will DAMAGE road safety. Anyone who thinks that this is good for road safety fails to understand what road safety is about, nor do they understand that they have been misguided by sales people where profits matter than road safety.
Police on the roads have been proven to be far better for road safety than average cameras by 13% (http://www.safespeed.org.uk/trl595.html) and average cameras worse by 27%.
Still why use the best, when others can profit ! ;)
Do they not care or see the dangers of these systems ? ( the zombie like drivers. mentally fatigued etc.)
They were to dual the entire 200miles of road. Why do that I guess, when you can just stick up cameras and profit from it !????
Disgusted as it makes it FAR MORE DANGEROUS.
I wonder how they will feel when they try to drive 200 miles and not once go over an average of 60mph! I can see false number plates rising fast.
People will deliberately use the lower quality & FAR LESS safe roads, to avoid the potential penalties, making road safety worse!

There is NO alternative to the A9 unless you go all the way around the West coast! [edited]

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 09:26 
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DavidMC wrote:
And....for those more prone to mental arithmetic and in possession of a good speed cam alert system - one which calculates such averages between scams- having been stuck for 10 miles at 40 within the herd of sheep, a good straight could yield 20 cars in a 90mph terminal overtake with point-to-point average velocity still be well below the limit.

Except you just KNOW that they will of course place the cams along the long straights! :(
Heaven forbid that they actually think about safety and safe overtakes ! No they will for sure place them along every straight!
Still flying will become more popular ! :) Just have to buy more cars and have them at each port.
Perhaps we should all start to take up flying ! :)

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