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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 04:31 
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The car computer that makes speeding history

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Last updated at 2:35 AM on 11th May 2009

A sophisticated in-car computer could soon make it impossible for motorists to speed.

The system detects the speed limit and automatically slows the car if it is being driven too quickly.

It pinpoints a vehicle's exact location via satellite and accesses a database of every road's speed limit to determine how fast the vehicle should be travelling.

The Intelligent Speed Adaption system will be unveiled today as part of the largest-ever pilot of its kind.

It is seen as a blueprint for a nationwide scheme which could add around £500 to the cost of a car.

But critics last night claimed that it was further evidence of state interference.

They say it undermines motorists' freedom and claim it could hinder, rather than aid, road safety.

The trial is being carried out by Transport for London (TfL) which runs buses, trains, the Underground and major roads in the capital.

TfL - which reports to London Mayor Boris Johnson - says its specially-equipped fleet including cars, a bus and a black cab, will take to the roads this summer.

During a six-month trial they will evaluate the technology's impact on road safety and congestion.

TfL believes it could cut accidents by around 10 per cent.

Currently the computer is programmed with the speed limits on every road within the M25.

The Government plans to order a nationwide map. The system offers the driver two modes - voluntary and advisory - as well as an override button.

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In advisory mode the screen displays the speed limit and a face that smiles if the driver sticks to the limit and frowns if they go too fast.

It is the voluntary mode, however, that safety campaigners hope will one day become mandatory.

When vehicles reach the speed limit the accelerator is prevented from speeding up the car, no matter how far it is depressed. The system does not affect the brakes. If an ISA-equipped car is driven from a 40mph to a 30mph or 20mph zone it is automatically and gradually slowed down.

'This innovative technology could help any driver avoid the unnecessary penalties of creeping over the speed limit and at the same time will save lives,' said Chris Lines, head of TfL's road safety unit.

However, Andrew Howard, the AA's head of road safety, said: 'Drivers are divided in their views of ISA; some hate it, some want it. Many have questions that will be answered only by trials like those being carried out by TfL.'

Paul Biggs, of the Association of British Drivers, believes the system 'will stop drivers thinking'.

One local authority has already said it wants to place an order for 300 ISA units - which costs £400,000 to develop - for its own fleet.

They were made by the British division of Technolution, a Dutch firm, with funding from TfL.

TFL will reveal its findings in a report next year.


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It is the voluntary mode, however, that safety campaigners hope will one day become mandatory.


That’s the crux of it! Let’s give them an alternative for now just to keep them sweet, full control to follow later. NO! compromises, we should be telling them to stuff it!


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The reporter in the Torygraph took a ISA-equipped Prius :roll: out for a drive in central London and got loads of abuse from other road users for going so slowly....


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There doesn't appear to be any income for the authorities from this system!
So...
If they got it fitted and it automatically "issued FPNs"" it would be a winner!


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Dixie wrote:
TfL believes it could cut accidents by around 10 per cent.

But the DfT RCGB2007 compilation states that "Exceeding the speed limit was attributed to 3% of cars involved in accidents" and even then it's only a contributory factor (there are other factors per accident); indeed exceeding the speed limit noted as a contributory factor 7725 times last year (for all accidents, including joyriders, police chases etc) compared to a total of 324,000 contributory factors, that's 2.4%.

So where does the 10% figure come from? Granted the Capital may not be representative of the national trend, but come on!

Interestingly, pedestrian errors account for just under 33,000 contributory factors (excluding wearing dark clothing), that's over 4 x more than that caused by exceeding the speed limit.

The most dangerous driver groups would circumvent any such system, even if they were made mandatory.

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I think it is a great idea!!! Any thing that reduces driver control and may lead to loss in concentration is a must.

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The first thing that occurred to me reading that was Father Ted episode "booby traps" where Dougal becomes a milkman:
Priest: You mean..
Ted: Thats right WE PUT THE BRICK ON THE ACCELERATOR

Ah the thoughts of a system like this, I can get on the motorway, put my foot to the floor and get a nice snooze the entire way until I'm there. I love it, the sooner its brought in the better.


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I see they have not mentioned the bit about "every vehicle will have its own code, enabling the police to order that vehicle to stop"

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I hope that it's better programmed than my (new)sat nav. There are two roads within a couple of miles where it warns me of a 40MPH camera and speed limit and a 30MPH limit and camera...the problem is the roads are NSL and 40MPH respectively.

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The anti-speedcam group Safe Speed predictably came out strongly against ISA, issuing a statement saying (verbatim):


http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/11/isa_satnav_speed_governor_cab_bus_trials/

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I hope that it's better programmed than my (new)sat nav. There are two roads within a couple of miles where it warns me of a 40MPH camera and speed limit and a 30MPH limit and camera...the problem is the roads are NSL and 40MPH respectively.


If there is an shadow of a doubt I expect that the device will default to 10mph :(

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No chance of accelerating out of danger then.

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Steve wrote:
...But the DfT RCGB2007 compilation states that "Exceeding the speed limit was attributed to 3% of cars involved in accidents" and even then it's only a contributory factor (there are other factors per accident); indeed exceeding the speed limit noted as a contributory factor 7725 times last year (for all accidents, including joyriders, police chases etc) compared to a total of 324,000 contributory factors, that's 2.4%.

So where does the 10% figure come from? ...


I expect it's a bit of froward thinking on their part! OK so exceeding the speed limit doesn't cause 10% of accidents NOW...

...but if you reduce the limits enough, it just might! :wink:

That, of course, raises another interesting question: Each time they change the speed limit (as the current vogue seems to be!) will they instantaneously update all the devices? Would there be any legal recourse from a driver who trusted his device to do the job it had been supplied for and got himself "nicked" for exceeding a recently (and abitrarily!) changed speed limit?


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I am curious to know how it would deal with those roads with varying speed limits. For example, there is a school near where I live and the road directly next to it is 30mph during most times of the day, but 20mph "when the lights are flashing". Can this thing read road signs or detect flashing lights?

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Since it seems highly likely that the onboard unit will have gsm capabilities, it will probably be updated automatically with changes to set limits etc.

Anyway, read the report:

http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roads/vehicles/intelligentspeedadaptation/fullreport.pdf

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Ah the thoughts of a system like this, I can get on the motorway, put my foot to the floor and get a nice snooze the entire way until I'm there. I love it, the sooner its brought in the better.

As someone once said on another forum: "Great – I can now drive everywhere like an utter c*** and the police can't touch me for it!" :twisted:

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Whatever will they do for fines though


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It pinpoints a vehicle's exact location via satellite and accesses a database of every road's speed limit...

Show me the database before I'll believe it exists.
Then I'll find you some inaccuracies. :roll:

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The first thing that occurred to me reading that was Father Ted episode "booby traps" where Dougal becomes a milkman:

I think it was called "Speed 3". ;)

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Some of the problems that existed in the first trial :

It placed me in neutral when on a roundabout for no apparent reason, - nearly got rear ended ...
It slowed me down at the end of a dual carriageway as I overtook a lorry - got gestures from car behind and lorry (HAD HIT override BUT it cancels over-ride until the new limit that you have just got into is met - THEN you can hit o/r and speed up)
There were more but that chap who had previously looked forward to having it hated it within the first month of the trial - he only stuck with it as it was a free car for 6 mths. He then complained about all its problems to driving at the end questionnaire.


I can just imagine what will happen on curves in roads when the limit changes - off the road people will go !
People will think less = concentrate less = more accidents = more SI and K's.
and so on ...

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There seem to be endless possibilities for advancement for this system. What seems certain is that the voluntary system will become mandatory, sooner rather than later. I also find it hard to believe that the initial design does not include any transfer of authority to a remote user, so I won't believe it !

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