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Conservative Way Forward, at last....some sense!!!!!

http://www.conwayfor.org/policypapers/transport_policy_paper.pdf

(edited due to trailing url!)

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"Are you sh**ing me?"
"John Spartan, you are fined one credit for a violation of the verbal morality statute."

I think it has been mentioned before, but not sure if it was available on line then.

A quick skim suggests it's full of common sense - including the complete scrapping of automated speed enforcement

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed

.... and the next (improved) edition should provide for the abolition of all speed enforcement outside of built-up areas.

Best wishes all,
Dave.

The problem with me and the Conservative policy document is that it was the Conservatives who passed the legislation that they now apparently rail against.

The 1991 act allowing councils to collect shedloads of money from parking 'offences' and the act that allowed automatic camera-based speed limit enforcement all came in under John Major. All that this Labour government has done is further refine the tortures on the motorist.

Obviously the Traffic Management Act of 2004 is theirs, extending the council cash cow to moving offences as well as stationary. Yet more billions to be drawn from us no doubt. The cameras are already in position where I live.

So was Torqmada a Conservative or a Labour voter ?

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Good manners maketh a good motorist

I agree. I still struggle with the stress and near financial ruin my young family suffered in the lat 80's and early 90's due to changes in paye, poll tax, maternity benefit and raging interest rates. The bastards! I swore then I would NEVER vote tory again.

Cameron has already nailed his colours to the mast with as yet undisclosed GREEN taxes.

I just don't trust them...the problem is they are all now the same. Who the hell do we vote for?

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Speed camera policy Kills

I think, in this age where all 3 main parties occupy the centre ground, we should all abandon our past preferences and just play the system. If a party produces a manifesto you like the look of, vote for them. If they fail to deliver, vote for the other one the next time around.

If a party is unable to stay in government for more than 4 years, they will soon get the message.

It's these huge majorities and long terms that we grant to them, and their resultant complacancy, that does all the damage.

Make democracy work for you. Because Apathy won't.

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“For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong.” - H. L. Mencken

That is the nail being hit squarely on the head.

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"Are you sh**ing me?"
"John Spartan, you are fined one credit for a violation of the verbal morality statute."

Why vote for any party ?
There are enough independents standing, vote for one of them.
Better still, vote for a different one each election.
Make the b'stards work for their/our living.
Since [taking the broad outline] each party has a large amount of similarity, it stands to [common][uncommon] sense that picking a guy/girl who is outside the "party" system would make a difference. Even if only by giving "standing" members their P45.

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The world runs on oil, period. No other substance can compete when it comes to energy density, flexibility, ease of handling, ease of transportation. If oil didn’t exist we would have to invent it.”

56 years after it was decided it was needed, the Bedford Bypass is nearing completion. The last single carriageway length of it.We have the most photogenic mayor though, always being photographed doing nothing

I agree Jomukuk, .....

...and with others who say that previous UK Govs. are also complicit in this cynical manipulation of Public Opinion.
They pretend to be different, but carry on the same pre-planned direction of deceit of the Public mind..

A quick read of this doc. reveals a few gaping chasms to me.... too many to mention here. Later perhaps..

A POX on them all I say.... ...Why the hell should we vote them into a very "cushy job"?...............and claim for a mortgage on a second home that they don't have?....

They're all the ruddy same................except a very small select, much maligned few, of all parties, who prefer to tell the truth even it is unpopular! And usually suffer for it.....

This may be naive of me, and we will find out when the Conservatives get back into power. But when the Conservatives initially implemented the cameras and parking stuff, presumably they genuinely thought that the policies were going to help (although I'm sure there was also some anti-car sentiment behind it from some supporters).

Whereas since 2000 or so, it's become increasingly obvious that cameras aren't working, and that "decriminalised" parking is being abused by councils to raise money. We know that Labour know this, yet they've done nothing; on the contrary, they've made it worse (e.g. the Traffic Management Act). Hatred of cars, greed and an obsession with controlling us eclipse any wish to save lives and have reasonable, fair, sensible policies.

And this, I hope, is the difference. The Conservatives sometimes get it wrong, to put it mildly. But this Labour government consistently lies to and deceives us. This government has a track record of doing things for itself despite knowing that they're the wrong policies for the people. It has no respect for us, and it doesn't even feel the need to pretend otherwise. (This lack of respect shows itself in all sorts of ways, e.g. losing sensitive data about us, because those who lose it and their superiors just don't care enough.)

As I say, it may be naive, but I'm hoping that a future Conservative government will be less malicious, if not much less inept, than the current lot. I'm not saying they would never pull the wool over our eyes: we can expect the AGW nonsense to continue whoever is in power. But surely, surely they at least won't be any worse overall, and there's a good chance of them being better, if only because they don't want to spend another 12+ years in exile.

If people are going to tell me otherwise then please let me down gently...at times it's the only thing that gives me any cause for optimism regarding this country's politics....

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Paul Smith: a legend.

"The freedom provided by the motor vehicle is not universally applauded, however: there are those who resent the loss of state control over individual choice that the car represents. Such people rarely admit their prejudices openly; instead, they make false or exaggerated claims about the adverse effects of road transport in order to justify calls for higher taxation or restrictions on mobility." (Conservative Way Forward: Stop The War Against Drivers)

Slightly off topic, what is your views on the policies coming out of TfL and London Assembly, directed at the motorist? For those of you living in the London boroughs, will this affect your decision at Mayoral Elections on 1st May?

I ask as I find myself in a quandry, traditionally of Labour persuasion with inbuilt distrust of Tories. Liberal choices appear to weak and reactionary, thus have no obvious choice. However I fear that the only person capable of ousting Red Ken is Borris...

Malcolm

Of course. If you look at the Con, Libdem and Lab manifestos and ALL of them make your blood run cold, then vote for one of the minor parties or an independent.

A protest vote is FAR better than no vote at all.

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“For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong.” - H. L. Mencken

Yes the attitudes towards motorists are definitely to affect who I vote for. Though I agree on your point of Boris being only way to get rid of Ken, it is worth noting Boris is not a driver either...

I think the best choice could well be the Lib Dems chap, an ex copper who will 1) actually understand the crime situation 2) be a high quality driver who might possibly show some sympathy for our rough treatment and 3) hasn't come from a policitical background so may not be so full of shit

I’m of the opinion that there is nothing to gain out of the main three parties any longer. It appears to me that all these parties do is wait until the party in power come up with something the people don’t like and then say they will reverse it. It makes you wonder if it’s all done deliberately so the next lot can have a turn in filling their boots. I get the feeling that NU labour and the Conservatives are working it together, they know the Lib’s won’t get in.

If the conservatives get in and do what they’re saying , scraping the onslaught on the motorist, what will be the next thing they will hit us all with, (global warming) they’ll have to get their pocket money from somewhere.

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Useless laws weaken necessary laws.

Excellent document - I read pretty much all of it, and skipped only very few sections.

It all sounds pretty damn good to me.

do I actually trust Mr Cameron enough to vote for him, though?

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Fear is a weapon of mass distraction

Are you suggesting that he has a chauffeur for his Lamborghini?

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"Politicians are the same the world over... We build bridges where there aren't any rivers." - Nikita Kruschev

It should be pointed out that this is only a set of proposals from a Conservative think-tank, it isn't official party policy.

Having said that, I agree with bombus that it's difficult to imagine that the Conservatives would have been as bad as Labour in terms of the war against motorists.

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed

I've met the author on a couple of occasions and he is without doubt one of the most astute peope I have ever met. If it does become official policy,Cameron could do a lot worse that appointment Malcom as an advisor.

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All views expressed are personal.

People driving motorised vehicles are asked to not exceed the legal speed limit, park in silly places or drive with illegal defects in their vehicles and this is a declaration of war?

I drove my car today to a local garden center and I throughly enjoyed the journey, I passed several speed camera sites, an ANPR system and a box junction camera, and nobody lauched rockets at my car or otherwise tried to blow me up. I even parked in an area that was subject to clamping, but when I got back my car wasn't clamped and I drove it home; enjoyed that too.

You might say the Iraq war was a war FOR motorists, but as for their being a war against motorists ... ... ?