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 Post subject: Bus Lane Blitz!
PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 21:54 
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Drivers in bus lane blitz
Seb Ramsay and Rob Cooper
26/11/2007


DRIVERS straying into Manchester's bus lanes have generated nearly £500,000 in fines in just 12 months.

A total of 28,000 motorists have been caught illegally using the lanes during peak periods.

Roadside cameras on one road alone - Wilmslow Road in south Manchester - accounted for 40 per cent of the fines and collected nearly £200,000.

The money raised from the £60 fines will be channelled back into improving transport.

And the cash bonanza could have been even greater after it emerged 5,000 bus lane cheats escaped fines because the paperwork wasn't sent out quickly enough. Motorists' campaigners said many drivers find it infuriating to be stuck in traffic jams alongside an empty bus lane.

Sean Corker, from Manchester Against Road Tolls, said: "I can understand the frustration of drivers who are sat in traffic jams when there are empty lanes beside them.

"It is always assumed that bus lanes will solve congestion. But before they are set up there should be research to show how many people they will carry.

"If they don't carry more passengers than ordinary traffic, then they shouldn't be there because they just cause congestion."

Manchester council set up a network of roadside cameras to ensure drivers did not stray into the lanes which are designated for buses, taxis and cyclists. A car equipped with hi-tech camera equipment also carried out daily monitoring of different routes.

A total of 12 fixed CCTV cameras, monitored by traffic controllers, were erected on major city routes last year.

In the first year of the scheme, £483,000 was raised through fines. The cash is ring-fenced, meaning it can only be used on highway improvements, bus and cycle schemes, and enforcement costs.

But the council admitted that `technical teething problems' meant they missing out on more than £300,000 in fixed penalty payments.

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Of the drivers caught, 13,000 were in the camera-controlled bus lanes on Wilmslow Road. By law, all fines must be sent out within 28 days of the offence, but the council said that in 5,000 cases, this didn't happen.

A town hall official said: "In the very early days there were some technical teething problems with the equipment, which meant that 5,000 bus lane offences which were caught on cameras across the city could not be processed in time.

"The mistake would simply have been compounded by issuing the penalty notices beyond the legal time limit and so the tickets were voided."

Manchester University student Rachael Walsh did receive a ticket when she used the bus lane. But the 20-year-old from Fallowfield had her fine cancelled because of a different kind of blunder.

She said: "I wasn't sent a £60 fine, I just got a final notice to say I had to pay £90 for using bus lanes on Wilmslow Road.

"I paid it but a few weeks later I got the money back. I did use the bus lane, but because I wasn't sent out the original £60 fine I didn't have to pay it. The council said they sent out a lot of fines like that by mistake."

According to figures obtained under Freedom of Information laws, a driver is caught every 38 minutes on average illegally using the bus lanes on Wilmslow Road.

And even without the cash from the motorists whose fines weren't sent out in time, the council raked in £193,080 from Wilmslow Road bus lane cheats between the beginning of October 2006 and the end of September this year. Drivers are handed a £60 fixed penalty notice for using bus lanes but pay only a £30 fine if they cough up within 14 days.

If the fine is not paid within 28 days it is increased to £90.

According to the council, none of the tickets that fell outside the 28 day timescale were actually issued to motorists.



Fines should not be sent out "by mistake" anyway :banghead:

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 Post subject: Re: Bus Lane Blitz!
PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 23:38 
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Mad Moggie wrote:
Motorists' campaigners said many drivers find it infuriating to be stuck in traffic jams alongside an empty bus lane.


Its not empty though is it, it just looks like that.

Its probably transporting more people than the choc-a-block car lane next it it, even if it is empty most of the time.


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weepej wrote:
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Motorists' campaigners said many drivers find it infuriating to be stuck in traffic jams alongside an empty bus lane.


Its not empty though is it, it just looks like that.

Yeah, those damned invisible buses catch me out every time :)

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Its probably transporting more people than the choc-a-block car lane next it it, even if it is empty most of the time.

Probably, but would the bus lane carry even more if it was used as a car lane? To answer that you would have to understand the nature of the blockage and whether it was somehow biased towards the car lane.

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Probably, but would the bus lane carry even more if it was used as a car lane?


Yes it probably would, but workplaces need people to be at them to generate money, and if we're all sitting in traffic jams (even those on buses) that aint going to happen.

Either that or everybody's got to leave for work earlier, and take longer to get there.


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Since nobody gives way to buses, it makes little difference whether there are bus lanes or not. Here in town the buses have to cross from one bus lane to another....except that because nobody gives way (well, they cannot anyway...traffic) the buses use the ordinary all-traffic lanes. It got so bad that they installed traffic lights that the buses activate, so that the car lanes go to stop, to let the buses through. And it still doesn't work....but then, most traffic is to the county council and borough council offices car parks.....and they don't use the park-'n-ride that THEY are telling US to use to avoid congestion. So, that's about 400 cars AT PEAK TRAFFIC FLOW TIMES, that don't use the [new] park and ride carparks...with CHEAP car parking in CCTV monitored car parks. AHH...problem....the council offices car parks are free....and monitored around-the-clock. Motto ?


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weepej wrote:
Yes it probably would, but workplaces need people to be at them to generate money, and if we're all sitting in traffic jams (even those on buses) that aint going to happen.

Either that or everybody's got to leave for work earlier, and take longer to get there.

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...understand the nature of the blockage...

and do something about that - no?


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weepej wrote:
Mad Moggie wrote:
Motorists' campaigners said many drivers find it infuriating to be stuck in traffic jams alongside an empty bus lane.


Its not empty though is it, it just looks like that.

Its probably transporting more people than the choc-a-block car lane next it it, even if it is empty most of the time.


Actually the buses fight each other for the passengers. This time last year they created a right old gridlock by blocking each other in so as to get the handful of passengers for themselves as there not enough passengers wanting to use these buses to go round :popcorn:

Story was in Manchester Evening News. It ran for weeks on end und I gather the bus companies are still fighting each other for these passengers.

It would help of course if they planned the services much better though at different time throughout the day... :roll: But Swiss way of life und logic - that too simple of course. :roll: :popcorn:

(But you cannot deny .. our buses are punctual as our pristine cuckoo clocks who very prissily cuckoo dead to the minute :lol: )

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There is a bus lane near me on Didsbury Road in Heaton Mersey, (actually a continuation of Wilmslow Road mentioned in the article). The problem is that it runs up to a busy junction across a dual carriageway (Kingsway), and at the end of the bus-lane is a left-turn only lane. However all bus services run straight across the junction so they generally won't use it unless they need to stop at the one bus-stop on it. And of course, cars that want to turn left have to run down the outside of it until the very end when they can then cut into the left-turn only lane. Now when there are no cameras enforcing it, traffic can flow freely and cars wanting to turn left will use it without hindering any of the buses, (as they often have to drive outside it anyway). When cameras are enforcing it though, the queues down the outside lane become ridiculous - stretching way back beyond the start of the bus lane. Thus holding up all traffic, including buses whilst the bus lane itself is largely empty. Completely stupid.

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I think its about time this precious road real estate was properly leveraged. Why has nobody experimented with high occupancy vehicles being allowed into bus lanes or at the very least motorcycles. I really don't see the difference between a motorcycle and a bicycle or a fully occupied car and a taxi.


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diy wrote:
I think its about time this precious road real estate was properly leveraged. Why has nobody experimented with high occupancy vehicles being allowed into bus lanes or at the very least motorcycles. I really don't see the difference between a motorcycle and a bicycle or a fully occupied car and a taxi.


At the moment Reading allow motorcycles and taxis in the bus lanes.

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