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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 12:49 
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First saw this on PH:
THERE'S no hiding place for drivers who break the speed limit, use hand-held mobile phones or behave erratically on Cheshire's major roads.

Sharp-eyed travellers may have noticed signs erected on the A41 near Chester and at other black-spots across the county warning drivers: Police - aircraft traffic enforcement.

That's because the decision has been taken for the Hawarden-based Cheshire police spotter plane to monitor roads with a notorious safety record on its way to and back from incidents.

Superintendent Phil Charlton, of the uniformed operations command team, stressed the plane was not being scrambled to deliberately target motorists but was keeping an eye on the roads as part of its day-to-day work.

He said: 'The message I want to put across is that drivers need to take personal responsibility for themselves on the roads.

'They shouldn't be using mobile phones or exceeding the speed limit. They should make sure their vehicle is taxed and insured.

'When you weigh up the human tragedy on a family of somebody dying suddenly and the ripples across the community, then preventing one road traffic fatality has to be worth it and that's why we want to put over the message that the plane is looking at your behaviour.

'If you are driving sensibly and within the speed limit you have nothing to fear.'

In answer to critics' views that the initiative was 'a waste of money', he pointed out each fatal accident costs society an average of about £1.4m in terms of police, fire and ambulance resources, the insurance claim, loss of earnings, court time and prison costs where someone is convicted of causing death by dangerous driving and disability benefits paid out to surviving passengers.

In terms of its capabilities, the plane can measure a vehicle's speed and focus in on the number plate and even the driver to see if they are on a mobile phone. Video footage can be used as evidence in court.

'We can target people speeding, using mobile phones, people overtaking on double white lines or driving erratically which could indicate someone has been drinking and driving. We can alert ground patrols that the car is coming into Chester and ask them to stop the vehicle,' added Supt Charlton.

'The plane is another tool to try and reduce accidents.'


http://www.pistonheads.com/pics/news/16 ... and1-t.jpg
edit: for some reason the photo doesn't show (but it does in my preview)

Imagine the distraction of a plane flying close by, or even following you.......

If each fatal costs so much, then why don't they invest some of our road tax into re-engineering these dangerous roads?

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 13:36 
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A ludicrously expensive method to use for catching a very few people. I think the distraction argument is invalid as it is very difficult to even see an aircraft overhead (and going in the same direction as you) when driving let alone be distracted.

This is just bluff and bluster at a time when air ambulances are being grounded for lack of funds.

You could get a better effect by putting up scrawled signs saying "Speed trap round corner."

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 13:48 
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'The plane is another tool to try and reduce accidents.'


This seems to be their standard propaganda battle cry now. Give the impression that lots of small efforts working independently will lead to one overall improvement. Nothing is ever said about how one 'tool' affects another, or what 'tools' are being displaced in order for the new ones to be implemented.

Something for nothing is their mantra. The plane is up there anyway, they are saying, so they might as well use them to create a scare. Credibility issues, not to mention the safety of the pilots if they are asked to start buzzing traffic, never seems to cross their mind.


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It might not distract the car it's following but I'm sure a low flying aircraft would possibly be a distraction to the other drivers who could see it.


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Its pathetic.

Scramble the helecopter for high speed pursuits etc etc by all means but using it to detect people on phones???? come on


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This will probably be the same "police spotter plane" they have been using to take pictures for the council to use for the revaluation of council tax.

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How on earth is a woodworking tool going to monitor people's driving?!

As if the UK FIR was not busy enough as it is, now its going to be further clogged by an Islander doing orbits of speeding, sorry, I mean road-safety hot spots!

I am intrigued as to how the aircraft will measure speeds though, and certainly how they will form prior opinion! Will anyone seen overtaking become a target?


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RobinXe wrote:
I am intrigued as to how the aircraft will measure speeds though


Mmm, I was wondering the same thing... unless Cheshire have really been splashing out on the last of their scamera income and bought themselves one of these

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Something tells me there's little likelihood of large-scale enforcement of minor offences by air. I think it's largely to scare people into "being good". And maybe it'll be used as an excuse for reduced trafpol numbers.

Mind you, it would be easier to see from a helicopter just how much disruption a lane-hogger was causing. Playing such video evidence in court ought to ensure that they are punished appropriately.

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http://www.pistonheads.com/pics/news/16728/island1-t.jpg
edit: for some reason the photo doesn't show (but it does in my preview)

This works for me:

http://www.pistonheads.com/pics/news/16 ... and1-L.jpg

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It's just more 'spin', obfuscation and lies.
Surely no-one really believes that they will, or even can, use a twin-engined fixed-wing aircraft for this activity. It would be entirely unsafe and illegal to fly it below 1000 ft above ground level except for the purpose of landing or taking-off. The CAA would be very unlikely to give any dispensation for low flying of this type, although they might do it for a rotary wing aircraft which can, in emergency, land almost anywhere. The BN Islander is a most unsuitable aircraft for this work.
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Twister wrote:
RobinXe wrote:
I am intrigued as to how the aircraft will measure speeds though


Mmm, I was wondering the same thing... unless Cheshire have really been splashing out on the last of their scamera income and bought themselves one of these

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nah, where's the pic of the apache longbow?


what do plod use fixed wing aircraft for anyway? apart from trying to scare motorists that is?

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Yet more surveillance! The sooner the public wake up to this police state the better - I just hope it's not too late by then.

As for the £1.4M cost of each fatality - that's clearly a load of crap worked out by the total cost of the emergency services divided by the number of deaths.

This theory means that if deaths reduce then the cost goes UP. So any pillock using this as an argument should be trying to increase deaths to bring the cost down!!

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Here in Cumbria, Steve could just sit on a high mountain with a powerful pair of binoculars!! :lol:
Perhaps he already does!!!

I'm more intrigued by this Islander link which never seems to work unless you paste it into a browser window!! :D

I'll make my own attempt... I already know it works in preview!!
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