Gizmo wrote:
some pictures do not tell the whole story. Fire fighters will cut a car apart to extract occupents even when the damage is fairly light but the doors are jammed or someone is trapped. I assume these photos were taken after the emergency services had done there bit.
That's also quite possible. That's a very graphic photo and was presumably taken by the Manchester Evening's photographer after the deceased had been taken for a post mortem examination - in which tests for any cause - drugs, drink or sudden fatal episode etc - would be made. Stephen and his colleagues would have closed the road and swept for any forensic evidence to try to establish why control was lost .. and the wreck and the other vehicles will also be checked as the damge to all those vehicles will also help put a jigsaw together to establish cause. (Errm- that's why we close down roads and even the opposite carriageway if debris has spread over. We do not do that just to annoy folk going about their business.)
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A car can flip onto its roof at 30 if it spins and hits a curb, also if it is t-boned by another car. T-bone accidents are more likely to be fatal as the drivers head goes out through the side window.
Indeed - that could be possible.
We had a 4x4 tip over up here a few weeks ago. Clipped a kerb at 30 mph on an empty road and rolled onto its roof. Fortunately the lady driver did not have any injuries - but our officers got an ambulance to take her to hospital all the same to ensure no damage to her head and shoulders. No other car involved. She apparently said she was "avoiding some debris on the road" (It was a plastic bag - dropped by some litter lout...
)
But ...the photo.
It looks like more like something we see when people reach silly speeds and hit a tree and yes, I will concede .. the car could look like that if anyone had to be cut from the wreck.
Perhaps the bus was stopped, stopping or pulling away from a bus stop and a collision with this large vehicle was a little like hitting a static tree and then richoting into other traffic and rolling. It is pure speculation of course - and the police will want as many witnesses to come forward as possible to try to find out why and how and hopefully prevent in future by recommending a variety of actions and measures. So if anyone was there - hits on this site and can help the police - then GMP's RPU needs to hear from you.
It could just well be though - that he was rather recklessly overtaking a convoy of cars at an unwise rate of knots and hit the bus. But I am sure GMP will be investigating each potential cause anyway in the course of their investigation.
But is the photo valid to use as a
"see what happens if you drive dangerously or negligently or without COAST even?" In this case .. yes. Even without the permission of the bereaved as the deceased cannot be identified to the general public from this story - Whether the story or the reporting - and whether or not the mangled mess is misleading if the fire crew had been cutting the chassis to remove the poor chap who died for whatever reason at the wheel of that car - it still brings home perhaps the sort of work which goes on at these tragic scenes. - People do get trapped in their cars and if they are alive - then paramedics and fire officers alike will be taking all the more care to ensure that no further injury is caused to them and in some cases - fighting to keep them alive as best they can until they can get them to hospital.
Ted, of course, is a fairly legal-minded driver overall - apart from the odd little "outburst of a very slight extra pressure on his throttle" on an empty motorway (He thought I had not noticed when he drove me down to Manchester Airport that time
) But he has apparently driven on that road when he was a student in Manchester and once fairly recently when visiting his family down there. He cannot envisage driving along there on a busy work day at speeds much in excess of 30 mph or even at night - given traffic lights etc.
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Maybe I am reading the story wrong but it looks like two pasengers survived!
The others were treated at the scene for minors and shock per the article. The more seriously cut and bruised and shocked would be taken to hospital for a check up.
But for all involved - including the officers at that scene - it is always a shockingly awful experience.
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