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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 01:51 
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http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=3781314

Chief Constable's Car Caught Speeding at Nearly 100mph

By David Stringer, PA


Road safety campaigners tonight condemned a police chief constable after his car was clocked speeding at almost 100mph on the M1.

Derbyshire Chief Constable David Coleman was being driven by a chauffeur when the vehicle was stopped by traffic officers in Hertfordshire travelling at 97mph.

The staunch anti-speeding campaigner had been travelling back to his county from an engagement in London when the car was pulled over on Wednesday night.

An RAC spokesman said: ?This is a serious speeding offence and one for which someone could expect an outright ban.

?Even though the Chief Constable wasn?t driving, we expect public figures to set a good example.

?They are the ones involved in promoting road safety and to be involved in a speeding offence clearly doesn?t send a positive message to the public.?

Mr Coleman?s force, which uses both fixed and mobile speed cameras, was one of the first in the country to create a Safety Camera Partnership.

It uses police, court and local authority resources to install extra speed cameras in an attempt to reduce road deaths.

The body warns drivers in the county: ?Excessive and inappropriate speed is the biggest cause in all road collisions?.

Earlier today, the team exhibited a stand at Birmingham?s National Exhibition Centre, displaying a motorbike badly damaged in a collision to shock car users.

However, the Chief Constable?s tough stance, which saw 59,000 drivers caught speeding in the region last year, has incensed some motorists, with one man convicted of repeated attacks on local speed cameras.

A Derbyshire Police spokeswoman said: ?We can confirm that a car owned by Derbyshire Police Authority was stopped during Wednesday evening in Hertfordshire for a road traffic offence.

?The car was driven by a member of Derbyshire Police staff and the passenger was the Chief Constable. The matter is now being dealt with by Hertfordshire Police.?

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Utter hypocrisy as usual. I think I'll write to him. :)

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Safe Speed issued the following PR at 03:50 this morning:

PR148: Another ton-up police chief hypocrite

News: for immediate release

According to news reports, the Chief Constable of Derbyshire, David
Coleman was being chauffeur driven at 97mph when stopped by Police on
the M1 recently.

Chief Constable Coleman is know for his "anti-speeding" stance and
59,000 speeding tickets were issued in his area last year.

Paul Smith, founder of the Safe Speed road safety campaign commented:
"This is rank hypocrisy, and he's not the first. Assistant Chief
Constable Steve Thomas was caught and Harriet Harman, the solicitor
General was similarly caught. Perhaps the most famous of all was the
(then) home secretary Jack Straw. When are these people going to
preach what they practice and admit that 100mph on a motorway in good
conditions isn't necessarily dangerous?"

Paul continues: "Road safety cannot be reduced to a simple matter of
vehicle speed. It's more about consideration, courtesy, and matching
speed to conditions. While we've been concentrating on numerical speed
road safety results have stalled, culminating in a wholly
unprecedented rise in the fatal accident rate last year. We must get
back to the road safety policies that gave us the safest roads in the
world as soon as possible."

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News reports regarding the latest incident:


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4027545.stm

http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=3781314

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Can we have a tread under "pages" which keeps an update of URLs linking into these stories specific stories.. It can make useful amunition and quick referance.
1)"Senior Police Officers and Polititions caught speeding"
2) "Local Authorities call for review of camera sites" i.e Blackpool

Or maybe we do and I am not looking in the right place.. :roll:

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Gizmo wrote:
Can we have a tread under "pages" which keeps an update of URLs linking into these stories specific stories.. It can make useful amunition and quick referance.
1)"Senior Police Officers and Polititions caught speeding"
2) "Local Authorities call for review of camera sites" i.e Blackpool

Or maybe we do and I am not looking in the right place.. :roll:


It's not easy to come up with an indexing scheme that always indexes things in the way that the person looking wants. As far as news stories are concerned, I've been of the opinion that looking through the thread titles is usually enough to find something you're looking for.

The forum is searchable, and that helps.

If anyone has any ideas for useful, low overhead indexing, I'm listening.

If anyone wants to create and maintain some sort of index, then please feel free.

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The forum is searchable, and that helps.

If anyone has any ideas for useful, low overhead indexing, I'm listening.

If anyone wants to create and maintain some sort of index, then please feel free.

I'll look into it. The usual problem with this is that so rapidly links become fugitive.

Meanwhile, I think all the juicy ones Paul has captured within his own press releases - and they're always worth a re-read.


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Roger wrote:
I'll look into it. The usual problem with this is that so rapidly links become fugitive.

Meanwhile, I think all the juicy ones Paul has captured within his own press releases - and they're always worth a re-read.


Thanks. But it is always useful to the original references. BBC sites and newspaper sites seem to keep stuff for ages.

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I've sent myself an e-mail to work. I have an indexing thingy there. I've never used it. I'll give it a try on a section of this site and see wht gives. I'm expecting it to be sufficiently "unsuccessful" that a manual trawl may be easier - but I'll give it a try. Probably not next week - totall y snowed under. More likely in the Christmas wind-down.


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Roger wrote:
I've sent myself an e-mail to work. I have an indexing thingy there. I've never used it.


how about just a rouges gallery. Photo, position, number of convictions.

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Gizmo wrote:
Roger wrote:
I've sent myself an e-mail to work. I have an indexing thingy there. I've never used it.


how about just a rouges gallery. Photo, position, number of convictions.


Or this:

http://www.safespeed.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=318 ?

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http://www.safespeed.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=318 ?


What a great idea....I can see that getting featured on Top Gear.... :lol:

We have got Arrivedeprived and Transport1650 so there is somebody out there that has got the skills!

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RTRA 1984, Section 89.-4.
(4) If a person who employs other persons to drive motor vehicles on roads publishes or issues any time-table or schedule, or gives any directions, under which any journey, or any stage or part of any journey, is to be completed within some specified time, and it is not practicable in the circumstances of the case for that journey (or that stage or part of it) to be completed in the specified time without the commission of such an offence as is mentioned in subsection (1) above, the publication or issue of the time-table or schedule, or the giving of the directions, may be produced as prima facie evidence that the employer procured or (as the case may be) incited the persons employed by him to drive the vehicles to commit such an offence.

Anyone live in Herts? Care to make a formal complaint against the Debyshire CC under sub-section 4?
Probably won't come to anything because they'd need the chauffuer's evidence of the CC's directions, and the chauffuer is beholden to the CC for his job, but, hey, you never know.


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Doesn't this "trump" it?:

RTRA 1984 S87

87 Exemption of fire brigade, ambulance and police vehicles from speed
limits

No statutory provision imposing a speed limit on motor vehicles shall
apply to any vehicle on an occasion when it is being used for fire brigade,
ambulance or police purposes, if the observance of that provision would be
likely to hinder the use of the vehicle for the purpose for which it is
being used on that occasion.

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SafeSpeed wrote:
Doesn't this "trump" it?:

RTRA 1984 S87

87 Exemption of fire brigade, ambulance and police vehicles from speed
limits

No statutory provision imposing a speed limit on motor vehicles shall
apply to any vehicle on an occasion when it is being used for fire brigade,
ambulance or police purposes, if the observance of that provision would be
likely to hinder the use of the vehicle for the purpose for which it is
being used on that occasion.


No I don't think so. This applies to emergency calls.."likely to hinder the use of the vehicle for the purpose for which it is
being used on that occasion" how is obaying the speed limit going to hinder that vehicle at that time, unless he was late for a meeting :roll:

The Police are not exempt form obaying the speed limit, even when on duty. There are several cases of police cars being caught speeding and the drivers convicted.

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No I don't think so. This applies to emergency calls.."likely to hinder the use of the vehicle for the purpose for which it is
being used on that occasion" how is obaying the speed limit going to hinder that vehicle at that time, unless he was late for a meeting :roll:


I quite understand the objectives of the law here, but it is broadly written.

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I think the word in this case is SCHADENFREUDE!





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