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PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2005 10:01 
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New road safety minister was fined three times for speeding

THE government’s new road safety minister came close to being disqualified from driving after he was caught speeding three times within three years.

Stephen Ladyman, who was appointed last week, has admitted that at one stage he had accumulated nine penalty points on his driving licence. If he had been caught speeding for a fourth time — adding a further three points — he would have faced an automatic ban.

Ladyman, who is deputy to Alistair Darling, the transport secretary, oversees roads policy and is tasked with ensuring the safe passage of a road safety bill through parliament. The bill, which ran out of time before the general election was called, will be reintroduced in the Queen’s speech this week.

It proposes a shake-up of the penalty points system, meaning that drivers who are caught travelling marginally over a 30mph limit may have their licences endorsed with two points instead of the present three.

It has also emerged that Ladyman, 52, called for a cap on speed cameras last year. He told a local newspaper in Kent: “What I don’t think we should be doing is putting them up here, there and everywhere as a way of raising revenue. I think there’s enough already.”

Yesterday Ladyman said: “I still don’t dissent from that view. One of my responsibilities is going to be to review speed cameras and the way they are being used, and that gives you an indication of the way my mind will be working when I look at it.”

Ladyman last broke the speed limit by about 10mph in 2002 as he was driving on the A2 from London to his South Thanet constituency in Kent. He still has three points on his licence as a result of the offence and would have paid a £60 fine.

The six points he acquired from the other two speeding offences — picked up at roadworks on the M2 — are now “spent” because they were incurred more than three years ago.

When Ladyman first revealed his speeding convictions to the Kent on Sunday newspaper, he described them as “three silly lapses of judgment”.

Yesterday he said: “Politicians are human and have the same frailties as everyone else. The speed cameras worked. I was careless, I got caught and now I’m much more careful. That’s exactly what they are supposed to achieve.”

The number of speeding fines imposed on drivers in England and Wales has soared from about 260,000 in 1996 to 1.8m in 2003. Last year Britain’s 6,000 speed camera sites generated £20m.

Ladyman’s offences have dismayed road safety campaigners. “A basic requirement for a road safety minister should be a clean driving licence,” said Mary Williams, chief executive of Brake, a road safety charity.

Ladyman, who drives an Alfa Romeo 156, is not the first high-profile politician to have been caught speeding.

In 2003 Harriet Harman, then solicitor-general and now a constitutional affairs minister, was banned from driving for seven days and fined £400 for travelling at 99mph on the M4 in Wiltshire.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0, ... 48,00.html


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PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2005 10:27 
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Ladyman’s offences have dismayed road safety campaigners. “A basic requirement for a road safety minister should be a clean driving licence,” said Mary Williams, chief executive of Brake, a road safety charity.

A basic requirement for a road safety minister should be a driving licence. Full stop.

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PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2005 10:42 
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orange wrote:
One of my responsibilities is going to be to review speed cameras and the way they are being used, and that gives you an indication of the way my mind will be working when I look at it.


This is going to be intersting...poacher turned game keeper.... :wink:

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The speed cameras worked. I was careless, I got caught and now I’m much more careful. That’s exactly what they are supposed to achieve.”


Doesn't sound too promising.

I suspect he is not thinking about what it is he is now careful of.

Yes, having nine points makes you careful, careful not to get any more points.


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What's the betting he STILL 'wellies it' once he's passed the scams, or, where he KNOWS there are none ! :P :twisted:

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Clearly this is a man that I have to talk to. I'll ring tomorrow.

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Clearly the idiot Ladyman does not deserve to have a driving licence nor the job he has been given.
He is not fit to be on the roads, and is likely to kill somebody in due course.


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Clearly the idiot Ladyman does not deserve to have a driving licence nor the job he has been given.
He is not fit to be on the roads, and is likely to kill somebody in due course.


Really? Well - he is 52 years old - never had a car crash, not killed anyone, nor has he been copped since 2002 when he got pinged as a just over.

Er - do you drive? By the way....or just ride a child's toddler's trike. :roll:

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olesmokey wrote:
Clearly the idiot Ladyman does not deserve to have a driving licence nor the job he has been given.
He is not fit to be on the roads, and is likely to kill somebody in due course.


So are you saying any public servant should hold a clean driving licence?

How about Police, Ambulance drivers, Fire & Rescue drivers, Bus drivers ?

For someone who appears to ba a driving instructor you have not contributed anything "intillegent" to these forums. 7 posts and the all have the hallmarks of a troll! very strange... :roll:

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Gizmo wrote:
For someone who appears to ba a driving instructor you have not contributed anything "intillegent" to these forums. 7 posts and the all have the hallmarks of a troll! very strange... :roll:


Don't worry, we'll get on top of olesmokey yet :lol:

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olesmokey wrote:
Clearly the idiot Ladyman does not deserve to have a driving licence nor the job he has been given.
He is not fit to be on the roads, and is likely to kill somebody in due course.


Unless you have some evidence that we do not, I can not see that as being a rational viewpoint. I only hope your driving judgement is more soundly based. Sorry and all that but...

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Ladyman’s offences have dismayed road safety campaigners. “A basic requirement for a road safety minister should be a clean driving licence,” said Mary Williams, chief executive of Brake, a road safety charity.


And what is the requirement for running Brake ?

A strong belief in the horse and cart, perhaps.......


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And what is the requirement for running Brake ?

A strong belief in the horse and cart, perhaps.......


I think you have to be related to someone who was killed or injured in a road accident. Don't matter how or why, just makes you an expert somehow... :roll:

That way you have got a mandatory chip on your shoulder.

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Gizmo wrote:
I think you have to be related to someone who was killed or injured in a road accident. Don't matter how or why, just makes you an expert somehow... :roll:

That way you have got a mandatory chip on your shoulder.

I'm sure there are plenty of people here who have had relatives killed or injured in road accidents but still don't hold BRAKE-type views.

For example, my grandfather was killed by a car when crossing the road, and an aunt was badly injured by a hit-and-run driver which undoubtedly accelerated her death.

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I'm sure there are plenty of people here who have had relatives killed or injured in road accidents but still don't hold BRAKE-type views.


Yep I agree but I have a friend of the family who whitnessed a child get killed by a driver. It was someone who was visiting there house. By all accounts the kid ran out into the road in front of a car.

Ever since they have been campaining to have the speed reduced (they live in a 40 zone) and cameras put up.....nothing to do with the accident but it is there way of coping with the "guilt"..not exactly the most objective way of reacting. The real cause of the accident was that the kid was not supervised properly but of course it was the drivers fault, even though he wasn't speeding. But then parents never get the blaim do they?

An ideal recruit for BRAKE I recon.

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Clearly this is a man that I have to talk to. I'll ring tomorrow.


Hehe, if you could talk some sense into the Road Safety Minister, I'd be quite impressed :lol:


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It's more important to get your child to respond to the STOP! command. My son 16 months old was walking a 10 months and is always legging it. You can't hold on to them all the time

My wife and I have got him to freeze if ever we shout stop, the next task is to get him to wait at the drive and look before leaving.

I firmly beleive that both approaches will help keep him safe until he is old enough to learn the green cross code.


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