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It's nothing we didn't already know, but it is good that The Times is highlighting the problem with the current policy.

What IS policy in the Netherlands, Sweden and Norway?

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I note the report is "unpublished".

So, how has this been calculated?

Say 3,200 deaths per year. Average lifetime of 80 years. UK population 60M. Chance of dying = 3200 x 80 / 60M = 1 / 234 approx.

Rubbish?

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Malcolm W.
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So what? In anyone's lifetime they have a 1 in 200 chance of dying in a road accident.

Yes, and???

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We all have a 1 in 1 chance of dying in some way or other.

Not that going west in a road crash is in my top 5

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I imagine boredom must be moving up the league table as a candidate!

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Dave.

That's exactly how they calculated it, but it does make a good headline... It's actually not bad odds when compared to deaths from cancer and heart disease. The difference is that car crashes kill more young people and disease mostly kills older people and so is more acceptable to most people.

Few if any non-deliberate ways of dying are particularly pleasant. Which is why IMHO euthanasia, with appropriate safeguards and only in very specific circumstances, should be an option, but that's another topic.

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Can you reduce the odds by taking up a particularly dangerous sport - thus increasing your odds of dying in some other manner, or do the odds remain the same.

Also, do you have to be in a vehicle, or can you be a pedestrian or cyclist run down by a vehicle?

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Blimy a whopping 10% reduction...time is running out for th 40% target we used to keep getting reminded of.....oops sorry that’s KSI not just K

Any how, with a one in three chance of dying from heart disease and one in three chance of dying of cancer I will happily take my chances on the road.

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Yup! Still a road crash, even two pedestrians running into each other.

Meanwhile jump on a train and you're 20 times safer than in a car and about 200 times safer than walking and cycling. Some people in London refuse to use the underground instead of walking in spite of this....

Cycling is just a bit safer than walking, so I think pedestrians should wear helmets not cyclists .

But are these figures that are so often bandied about expressed as "per 100,000 passenger kilometres? If so, I fundamentally disagree with this way of doing it. I believe it should be "per passenger JOURNEY". Doing it the other way unfairly (IMO) weights it in favour of modes of transport that cover large distances (like planes). Nobody gets on a plane to go to the corner shop!

When I embark on a journey, I want to know what my chances are of finishing it in one piece - not what the chances of completing "Mile 267 - 268" intact are!

Flying is pretty safe its the take off and landing that's generally a bit dodgy. So if you only do short haul this is particularly risky.

If you don't believe that flying is a bit iffy get a life insurance quote and then see what happens when you phone back and say your a pilot.

Quite. A blinding example is the Space Shuttle. In "passenger miles" it is about the best there is, but you chances of being killed riding it are about 1 in 50

(Even so, If I was offererd a ticket I'd go in a heartbeat!)

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