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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 21:41 
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Here’s another article about North Wales’ Brunstrom and his battle against speed


http://www.eveningleader.co.uk/speakout ... id=2975912


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Is Flintshire the total extent of Brunstrom's patch or could it be that the whole of North Wales together didn't paint quite so rosy a picture???


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Mmmm, his scameraship must be keeping millions of people out of Wales as well. I for one will never go back there, 36 in a 30.


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Mmmm, his scameraship must be keeping millions of people out of Wales as well. I for one will never go back there, 36 in a 30.


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We are going to the former Merionydd for a week next month. I shall drive "very safely" lest they get me again. (35 in a 30 in Anglesey). Well I am a risk taker. :lol:

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Here’s another article about North Wales’ Brunstrom and his battle against speed


http://www.eveningleader.co.uk/speakout ... id=2975912


Well his "Arrive Alive" partnership weren't able to prevent a serious collision in Anglesey (near Red Wharf Bay), which required an air ambulance. A driver lost patience with being stuck behind "safe" drivers, overtook over double lines, and crashed head on into a car that had turned left out of a side road. No talivans in sight. However they were there to do me for 35 in a 30 on a deserted road the next day. :cry:

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out of intrest, during this glorious period of no road deaths, how many people were nontheless done for speeding in the area, and can they all now appeal their fines on the basis that speed didn't kill?

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nedsram wrote:
bsu675 wrote:
Here’s another article about North Wales’ Brunstrom and his battle against speed


http://www.eveningleader.co.uk/speakout ... id=2975912


Well his "Arrive Alive" partnership weren't able to prevent a serious collision in Anglesey (near Red Wharf Bay), which required an air ambulance. A driver lost patience with being stuck behind "safe" drivers, overtook over double lines, and crashed head on into a car that had turned left out of a side road. No talivans in sight. However they were there to do me for 35 in a 30 on a deserted road the next day. :cry:


just let me get this straight ... an idiot crosses double lines and has a head on crash, and that makes speed cameras bad?

Sheesh.

Can you spot who was wholly to blame in your little vignette? Here's a clue:
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A driver lost patience

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I think you're missing the point Handy. With North Wales as steeped in cameras as it is, this accident was not prevented. I expect you'll say that it's just down to (still :roll: ) not enough cameras and that what we need is total camera coverage of every inch of road 24/7. Maybe. But the more likely scenario is that the accident would still have happened and we'd have a nice video clip of it if it was a camera van or a nice still of it if it was a fixed camera AND the driver was exceeding the speed limit. We don't know that was the case.

So, YES, I still think cameras are a bad idea and this is (one) very good illustration of that point.


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handy wrote:
nedsram wrote:
bsu675 wrote:
Here’s another article about North Wales’ Brunstrom and his battle against speed


http://www.eveningleader.co.uk/speakout ... id=2975912


Well his "Arrive Alive" partnership weren't able to prevent a serious collision in Anglesey (near Red Wharf Bay), which required an air ambulance. A driver lost patience with being stuck behind "safe" drivers, overtook over double lines, and crashed head on into a car that had turned left out of a side road. No talivans in sight. However they were there to do me for 35 in a 30 on a deserted road the next day. :cry:


just let me get this straight ... an idiot crosses double lines and has a head on crash, and that makes speed cameras bad?

Sheesh.

Can you spot who was wholly to blame in your little vignette? Here's a clue:
nedsram wrote:
A driver lost patience


My point being that people (mostly locals) crawl along because they are frightened of getting snapped by a hidden talivan. As a result people lose patience and do stupid things. How does that make a case for scameras?

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Commetnt on the article, given by Councillor John, Mold.

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Arrive alive van work from 9 till 5 thats 8 hrs it leaves 16 hrs a day when not only are accidents more likely but no one died during the 16 hrs the roads were not manned by arrive alive vans so to jump up and down singing Brumstroms credits remember this the vans catch speeders speeding they rake in revenue they DONT save lives there is not one shred of proof that any camera saved a life with a hand full of cameras and millions of miles of tarmac all roads are not policed so wake up and see that cameras raise revenue not save lives 90,000 police officers risked killing a person they were all caught speeding only 8% of those police caught red handed were fined as for the public 84% of those caught were fined. a law for police and another for us police now take the camera out of the van and hold it in there hands with no signs no yellow jacket hiding in the hedge with van down a side street I have photos as proof so how is that awarenest its 2 weeks before anyone knows they were speeding and they didnt see police so how could that action save a life.

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councilor john,mold 27/06/2007 18:35:50
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See from this pic van parked off road on private property the vans camera was unbolted from inside van and used by cop as a hand held contary to home office guidlines he doesnt display warning signs he doesnt wear yellow hivis jacket he is hiding trapping motorists who drive safe but slightly over 30 mph i witnessed him lower camera when a woman pc in marked car sped past him and he waved to her she had no blue lights on and was doing over 40 in a 30 so she escaped prosecution thanks to he uniformed friend. a law for them and another stealth tax for us and to remind you all WE pay their wages and ever increasing council tax demands for more money for police.

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Do you think Brunstrom's speed camera campaign has helped make our roads safer?

31% Yes - they are vital in helping reduce road deaths

69% No - they are just a way of making money

0% They have helped but they are not the main reason
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handy wrote:
nedsram wrote:
bsu675 wrote:
Here’s another article about North Wales’ Brunstrom and his battle against speed


http://www.eveningleader.co.uk/speakout ... id=2975912


Well his "Arrive Alive" partnership weren't able to prevent a serious collision in Anglesey (near Red Wharf Bay), which required an air ambulance. A driver lost patience with being stuck behind "safe" drivers, overtook over double lines, and crashed head on into a car that had turned left out of a side road. No talivans in sight. However they were there to do me for 35 in a 30 on a deserted road the next day. :cry:


just let me get this straight ... an idiot crosses double lines and has a head on crash, and that makes speed cameras bad?

Sheesh.

Can you spot who was wholly to blame in your little vignette? Here's a clue:
nedsram wrote:
A driver lost patience



Although in these cases it's always the impatient overtaker that gets the blame the accident would never have happened if the people he was following were travelling at a decent speed. The squidgy organic things behind the steering wheels of cars are still human despite this governments best efforts. We have emotions, stresses, frustrations and we dont always act logically. As long as humans drive cars thats always going to be the case. People that crawl along at 35 in 60 zones are by far and away more of a hazard than the driver whizzing past at 80.


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Just to add....


Brunstrom is a mentally unstable oik with no idea how to police his area. it would appear he suffers from compulsive obsessive disorder and even by his own admission has an 'obsession' with speeding offences. I would say that any notion that he is serving those that live in his area is simply not the case. He is more of a menace to society than the criminals themselves.


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