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Driving test to go green with eco-questions
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CONGRATULATIONS Miss Jones, you’ve passed your driving test — now get on your bike. Officials are planning to make the driving test eco-friendly by asking learners not just how to operate a car but whether they should be using one at all.

Under plans to be introduced next year, candidates will face a series of “green” questions in the theory part of the test.

Drivers may be asked to consider such issues as: could the journey be better made by bus, train or bike? Is a 4x4 or a smaller car more suitable for town centre driving? On a hot day, is opening a window more fuel efficient than using the air conditioning?

“There’s a whole generation of people who never even think about the environmental issues surrounding the car and its use,” said Trevor Wedge, Britain’s chief driving examiner. “But if we put that on the syllabus, people are more likely to give it some thought.

“I live in a village and I’m amazed when I walk the dogs on a Sunday morning how many people drive three-quarters of a mile to the newsagent, whereas if they used the footpath they would have a two-minute walk.”

Wedge added: “Is the journey that you’re making really necessary? And if it is, what’s the most effective and efficient mode of transport to use? It might be the railway, it might be a pushbike or it might be walking.

“It’s about assessing whether a candidate is aware of the environmental impact of the decisions that they make.”

The proposal to place greater emphasis on the environment in the theory test is contained in a consultation document published by the Driving Standards Agency (DSA). The agency wants to increase the number of questions in the test from 35 to 50, raising the cost of the written examination by £7 to £28.50.

The new questions have not yet been drawn up and Wedge says advances in technology could mean the test will become more sophisticated. It may involve more complex answers than multiple-choice responses.

The DSA is also considering how to incorporate environmental concerns into the practical part of the test. From 2008, candidates may be assessed on eco-driving techniques which are already used in other European countries such as Holland.

DSA research has shown that smoother driving, avoiding harsh acceleration and heavy braking, could cut fuel consumption by up to 17%. Ministers are keen to find new ways of reducing pollution from road transport, which accounts for up to a quarter of Britain’s carbon dioxide emissions.

Although candidates will not fail their tests for driving in a non-environmentally friendly manner, they will be asked to use cruise control systems where applicable, avoid unnecessary gear changes and to move up into a higher gear earlier.

“This is the way learner drivers will be taught to drive,” said Wedge. “They won’t think of it as eco-driving. It will just be the correct way to drive.”


I'm all for improvements to the L test, but this? :loco: Shouldn't be surprised about it, since I once found a sample theory question about trams being an ecologically sound form of transport. It looks like they've simply decided on more of the same.

Now regardless of views on AGW/climate change I feel everyone who wants safer roads should be questioning the relevance of this. It's not even indirectly road safety related, and besides, driving uneconomically already carries the disincentive of higher fuel bills. The DSA should stick to worrying about driver safety and let others (and there're plenty of them) worry about the green issues.

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The proposal to place greater emphasis on the environment in the theory test is contained in a consultation document published by the Driving Standards Agency (DSA). The agency wants to increase the number of questions in the test from 35 to 50, raising the cost of the written examination by £7 to £28.50.


Just another way of raising money if you ask me.

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Surely efficient teaching car handling is part and parcel of the driving test. The PRACTICAL one. Answering paper or click mouse multi-choice is just not the same thing as actually DOING - and whilst the theory does make people aware .. it just does not relate to actual DO.

I'd rather more focus on practical and physical feel - make the practical test longer instead. :wink:

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DSA research has shown that smoother driving, avoiding harsh acceleration and heavy braking, could cut fuel consumption by up to 17%. Ministers are keen to find new ways of reducing pollution from road transport, which accounts for up to a quarter of Britain’s carbon dioxide emissions.


Remove "traffic calming " measures ?? :roll:

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Is a 4x4 or a smaller car more suitable for town centre driving?


Focus or RAV4??

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“I live in a village and I’m amazed when I walk the dogs on a Sunday morning how many people drive three-quarters of a mile to the newsagent, whereas if they used the footpath they would have a two-minute walk.”



I trust he "scooped the poop"(One good reason for driving).And after the newsagent - where else did they drive to ?


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Dipesh Gadher wrote:
“I live in a village and I’m amazed when I walk the dogs on a Sunday morning how many people drive three-quarters of a mile to the newsagent, whereas if they used the footpath they would have a two-minute walk.”


...that's less than a three minute mile :eek: - maybe they should be fitting speed cameras on the pavement!!!

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:gatso2: :furious:WTF?
:banghead: Have aliens from the Planet Stupid invaded us?. What's the point in learning to drive a car if some government prat is going to tell you that it's not really environmentally sound. Imagine being indoctrinated with a load of green ecological bull :censored: just to pass a driving test? They might as well ask, "How much roadkill would you expect to see on the A66 between the months of July and September?"

The world has finally gone stark, staring, raving MAD!! :banghead: :loco: :loco: :loco: :loco:

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Have aliens from the Planet Stupid invaded us?

Nope. Just taken over I think. :(

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:rotfl:


But something out there tells me you are right.. it's life Gatosbait but not as we know it.. and I guess we have a whole new meaning to "Klingons on the Starboard side.." :wink:



For Klingons - read little green men :wink:


Each generation left its mark on the planet.. ours uses technology and science. Only no one understands/interprets it properly nor even uses it properly and ends up wasting all the more :roll: resources.

Learn practically how to handle a motorised vehicle .. demonstrate by "do" that you can control a car without excessive anything.. use the bike and legs for trips to the local corner shop who usually does not have a decent car park anyway..

We should not need a Driving test based on the blinkin' obvious anyways :wink:

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But something out there tells me you are right.. it's life Gatosbait but not as we know it.. and I guess we have a whole new meaning to "Klingons on the Starboard side.." :wink:

Could be a lot of mileage in this. LTi 20-20 Death-To-Your-Licence Ray, DSA space cadets, Alastair Darling looking like a Vulcan (yeah, I know he's Trade & Industry now, but he's probably mind melding with the DoT mob :wink: ).
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Each generation left its mark on the planet.. ours uses technology and science. Only no one understands/interprets it properly nor even uses it properly and ends up wasting all the more :roll: resources.

And sadly the mark of this generation, or certainly the generation in this country, is an increasing willingness to flush practicality down the swanny and replace it with irrelevant ideology.

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Dipesh Gadher wrote:
“I live in a village and I’m amazed when I walk the dogs on a Sunday morning how many people drive three-quarters of a mile to the newsagent, whereas if they used the footpath they would have a two-minute walk.”


...that's less than a three minute mile :eek: - maybe they should be fitting speed cameras on the pavement!!!

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There is often a reason for making "Unecesarry" short car jorneys.

Some years ago I attended a customer during her lunch hour. She was a teacher and worked at a schooll barely a mile from her home but she still drove.

When I asked her why the awnser was rather interesting.

If she drove, she could come back home during her lunch hour and make some use of the time to do a bit of housework, prepare stuff for supper and so on. If she walked the whole hour was essentially wasted.

The point is that though it all sounds good to walk or cycle for short jorneys or use PT for longer ones. In most cases this will mean that the journeys take longer, sometimes much longer. Many (most) people these days have many demands on their time (Particularly if they have children) and finding the extra hour or so a day to use an alternative to cars is tricky if not impossible. In most cases if people do use an alternative to their cars then the extra time will be "Stolen" from their sleep.

There are already many presures on people to restrict their sleep, adding to this is probabally not good.

I believe that on average people gat nearly 3 hours less sleep per night than they did in 1900. I also believe that there is a growing body of evidence to suggest that this is verry bad for our health!

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There is often a reason for making "Unecesarry" short car jorneys.

Some years ago I attended a customer during her lunch hour. She was a teacher and worked at a schooll barely a mile from her home but she still drove.

When I asked her why the awnser was rather interesting.


The car's good when the mission creeps too. Fave newspaper out of stock? Drive on to the next newsagent. That sort of thing. I've totally lost count of the number of time that I haven't taken the car only to regret it later for this sort of reason. Cars are just so perfectly flexible.

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Now hang on a minuite!

Mrs Jones you have failed your driving test on eco questions....
What right do the government have to do this? Was it in the queens speach? Is it right to deny someone a licence to drive, even to work because they dont have the handle on this weeks eco questions? Baring in mind that the test should be on the highway code. Not on the life on earth series.

This is yet another attempt to reduce the number of passes and sideline road safety. meddling the must do's with the politicaly correct.

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Drivers may be asked to consider such issues as: could the journey be better made by bus, train or bike?


I took my test so I would never ever have to use a bus, train or bike again... :lol:

do I get a pass... :wink:

PC questions are easy to pass, you just have to bite your tongue and tell them what they want to hear....what a joke

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PC questions are easy to pass, you just have to bite your tongue and tell them what they want to hear....what a joke

:yesyes: Won't be long before you can pass anything as long as you write the answers in green ink.

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Here's one they should ask:

What percentage of CO2 produced is caused by the human race?
A: 3% (6Bn out of 196Bn tonnes of CO2)

How will reducing your CO2 output by 50% effect climate change?
A: It wont make any difference what so ever

What are the benefits and risks of driving econimically?
A: Benefit pay less fuel taxt, Risk, driving in too high a gear can reduce the ability to react to driving hazards.

Which roads are least environmentally friendly?
A: any road with speed bumps, traffic calming, pinch points, artificial hazards, speed cameras or rumble strips.

Also: On a hot day, is opening a window more fuel efficient than using the air conditioning?

A: It depends how fast you are going. 10mph yes - 70mph - no. :roll:


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