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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 20:50 
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On BBC website

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8219022.stm

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1,000 cameras 'solve one crime'

London is one of the world's most monitored cities
Only one crime was solved by each 1,000 CCTV cameras in London last year, a report into the city's surveillance network has claimed.

The internal police report found the million-plus cameras in London rarely help catch criminals.

In one month CCTV helped capture just eight out of 269 suspected robbers.

David Davis MP, the former shadow home secretary, said: "It should provoke a long overdue rethink on where the crime prevention budget is being spent."


The Metropolitan Police has been extraordinarily slow to act to deal with the ineffectiveness of CCTV

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He added: "CCTV leads to massive expense and minimum effectiveness.

"It creates a huge intrusion on privacy, yet provides little or no improvement in security.

"The Metropolitan Police has been extraordinarily slow to act to deal with the ineffectiveness of CCTV."

Nationwide, the government has spent £500m on CCTV cameras.

But Det Sup Michael Michael McNally, who commissioned the report, conceded more needed to be done to make the most of the investment.

He said: "CCTV, we recognise, is a really important part of investigation and prevention of crime, so how we retrieve that from the individual CCTV pods is really quite important.

"There are some concerns, and that's why we have a number of projects on-going at the moment."

Among those projects is a pilot scheme by the Met to improve the way CCTV images are used.

A spokesman for the Met said: "We estimate more than 70% of murder investigations have been solved with the help of CCTV retrievals and most serious crime investigations have a CCTV investigation strategy."

Officers from 11 boroughs have formed a new unit which collects and labels footage centrally before distributing them across the force and media.

It has led to more than 1,000 identifications out of 5,260 images processed so far.

A Home Office spokeswoman said CCTVs "help communities feel safer".




I like the home office spokeswoman.
I love goverment spokes people, they never seem to address the issue, just give a random comment.

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A Home Office spokeswoman said CCTVs "help communities feel safer".

Locking violent criminals up makes me feel safer too but the Government don't seem to want to extend this policy.

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But refuse to pay the increase in council tax as a protesting pensioner .. und they lock you up! :shock:

But back to topic ... CCTV cams? The criminals know where they are und also where they are focussed too. Usually they focus on areas where they not actually going to "cop a crime" :roll: Also -depth of field .. peripheral vision will be "out of frame/shot/focus" .. und despite the hype - the images are a bit "grainy" Also - it ist difficult to identify folk.. which brings us back to the other useless ploy .. the identity card...:roll:


For some reason "they" think issuing everyone with this will prevent crime...:roll: :banghead: They reckon wwe can be tagged by the digital doo-dah... photo of eyeballs und a DNA trace on these cards... but since they cannot handle CCTV properly - I think it fair comment to say .. "way of making a fast buck whilst conning them into thinking "they" do something by use of nightmare politics" :roll:

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David Davis MP, the former shadow home secretary, said: "It should provoke a long overdue rethink on where the crime prevention budget is being spent."


That is a total canard, typical of an idiot like Davis. . The figures are about the number of crimessolved by the use of overt surveillance devices. They tell us nothing about their effectiveness in preventing crime.

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That ist also true .. :o :(

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Quite.
Maybe more of the "police budget" should be spent detecting crime in the financial industry. I don't expect to see a conservative minister say that any time soon though.
Must be an election arriving soon, the amount of crap comments by all-and-sundry.
I have no problem with cctv. It followed the guy/s who slashed my sons arm open all the way to where they were, allowing their immediate arrest. I have a problem with the courts, who regard the victim as the criminal and the perpetrator as the victim.

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Why are they saying that they are all "closed circuit" when they clearly aren't?

So these spy cameras helped in 70% of murders? I'm sure the victims will be pleased to know this, it'll put their minds at rest that... oh no, wait, they're dead. The police didn't stop the murder happening.

Being watched and videoed makes me feel very nervous and unsafe. It makes me feel like I've done something wrong and that's why I'm being tortured. Maybe I should be committing crime? That's what they want, isn't it? I know this doesn't stop real criminals, they just wear hoodies then noone can identify them. Safe. :roll:

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They are closed circuit. as in the video is not generally broadcast.
Everybody is guilty until proven innocent.

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I don't feel safer, i feel like my privacy is being invaded with all the CCTV cameras around!

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I know what you mean over reliance on camera's being a worry. I do think they 'can' help in some areas, if there is a really good number of Police on the roads to back it up properly. I'd rather see no need for cameras because we would have such a good police force, and good members of society that crime (etc) was low and kept in hand.

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Pardon ?
All that depends upon whatever the local forces targets are for that period of time.
They may have an initiative to reduce antisocial behaviour (which may not be what you would describe as antisocial ie: You may think that spraying phone boxes with aerosols is antisocial but the police may think that young people collecting in one place to listen to music is A/S....further alienating young people (not that many need alienation towards the police))
You may think that a police force should target people getting stabbed/slashed as a priority, but apparently people being noisy going home from a night out are a priority in this town.
Many senior police officers are more political them politicians.

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