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When driving on the A16 near Deeping St Nicholas I noticed a new Gatso.
Some one had sprayed down the up right “TAX CAM” never a truer word I thought.
A few days later it had been sprayed back to its matt grey.
I think that must have hit a nerve somewhere.
(May be the spray can is mightier than the tyre?)
Can you imagine if every camera and camera sign in the land was to have the
Dreaded word “TAX” on it?
The good people of this country may really lobby their MPs to get rid of them.
Disband the greedy camera partnerships and sack the lot.
and get the police back to sensible policing and not fleecing.
It was a nosy copper that caught the Yorkshire ripper not a Gatso or a camera van.

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was “ther?” the technology for gatsos? and camera vans when the ripper was caught?
Answer the police were using vascar at this time but they still had to pull you up,
not siting cowering in a van and not wearing there hi viz jackets, having there 4 and 8
watt radios not switched off. Breaking the ACPO code of practise

And has all this technology made the roads safer?…….NO
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Do you really believe that speed monitoring is still going to exist in 20 years time?
I think it's going to go the way of the dodo.

Cheers
Peter

There are many assumptions required to support that statement, and none of them are accurate. For example:

* You're assuming that partnership enforcement is equally useful to police officer enforcement. It isn't. Police use their power of discretion without the encumbrance of partnership rules to target enforcement against the right target drivers.

* You're assuming that such enforcement changes driver behaviour for the better. It doesn't. It changes it for the worse.

* You're assuming that Partnership enforcement identifies dangerous drivers or dangerous behaviours (dangerous in the context is a relative term). It doesn't. It identifies routine speeding offences by normal safe and responsible motorists in large numbers.

* You're assuming that partnership enforcement is greater in benefit than in nasty side effects. It isn't. The damage to the Police / public relationship alone is far greater than the potential benefit of the cameras.

In short, you have been sold a lie. A big lie. A deadly lie. You're killing us.

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Furthermore, he's also assuming that TrafPols will now ignore speeding motorists when they're out and about, on the grounds that the speed cameras are dealing with them. But when you actually stop and think about this the very notion is barmy!

And do CCTV and ANPR actually make our roads / streets safer? Is street crime reducing? Are the roads getting safer?

Technology is certainly improved, but I don't think it's necessarily made policing any more effective, just cheaper / more profitable.

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Ticketo ergo sum : I scam therefore I am!

Let's use the available technology as it rolls out to improve policing for public safety and peace of mind.

We should not allow it to be used when the predominant reason is to police on the cheap.

I'm looking forward to introduction of new technologies which might improve the efficiencies of policing, with NO compromise in effectiveness.

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Ian

do rapests and murders keep resgistered cars? I can imagine the Yorkshire ripper getting a letter in the post for doing 36 in a 30 and handing himself in. It's a fair cop officer, I was speeding and I would like 17 other offences to be taken into consideration too please while I'm here. Life you say, Well, I've got 6 points and a £60 fine and while I'm here I'll do the other 25 years. No chance of parole you say? Oh fair enough then...

Well it certainly aint burglary thats for sure. How about putting some of the zeal and determintation into a zero tolerance for burglars? Oh yeah I forgot they don't make money. Silly me I forgot about that.

Just thought I'd better add that I do support the police and believe most officers do a great job - it's all the meddling that goes on by government I don't like.

I'd like to say that we (I) do get quite a buzz from catching 'proper criminals'. If I had the opportunity to catch a burglar a night, I'd be happy to do so!

We nicked a burglar last set of nights who had been plaguing our area with night time breaks since early spring - cracking obs by my new partner

He had a four and a six year old in his car (the trappings of legality and credibility). Whilst looking after him and his kids in custody, he said he was trying to set himself up in business but couldn't afford some of the more expensive items which is what he was stealing. Once set up he would go straight.

Not laudable or believable, but he had physically harmed nobody.

We also locked up 4 drink drivers, 1 from an accident, 2 from manner of driving stop checks (appalling driving) and one from a routine check.
The RTC driver was suicidal, and had previously tried to kill himself on the railway line, but apparently stood on the wrong track as the train whizzed past

There is no doubt that burglars and property thiefs are a scourge and their 'mens rea' is usually much more defined than in the case of offending motorists.

But I know where the danger to life lies, and the vast majority of law abiding members of the public should consider themselves about 20 times (guess) more at risk of physical harm from RTCs than any other criminal action.

We also spent 6 hours chasing 3 heifers around Kendal, but that's another story.

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Fixed ideas are like cramp, for instance in the foot, yet the best remedy is to step on them.

Ian

Good to know there are at least two real plods out there. But what the effect of the speed cameras is having is that good honest people are being targeted not the real dangerous drivers.
No cameras and more cops

a new direction

Believe it or not, some police forces actually do bother their backsides to combat burglary. Have a look at this report from a local rag.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/ ... ory=645706

Personally, I'd like to see more trafpols and less scameras. It's far better to be given a roadside rollocking from a trafpol than prosecuted by a bloody robot. One of my friends (no, it wasn't me-honest!) was pulled by a trafpol who accused him of driving without due care on the motorway. He won't ever forget the lecture he was given.

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How about putting the words "SPEED CAMERA VAN OPERATIVE " on the HI VIZ of talivan members, make it a condition of their employment to wear it at all times whilst on duty and see how many shops /chippies etc serve them

TAX CAM stickers???? Maybe the SCP's could sell them to make even more cash?

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No - thats done by the experts in flash and grab - the pratnerships, ensuring that we don't get hiernias from heavy wallets.

Absolutely agree - I certainly wouldn't want to see an increase in policing for burglary at the expense of traffic police. What I would like to see however is the redressing of the balance between the criminal and the victim as well as a fairer treatment of drivers who make commit minor offences. You seem a very fair and extremely competant officer and from your posts I'm sure you would agree that a speeding ticket for a competant resposible motorist far outweighs the seriousness of the offence. Compare that to the 'slap on the wrist' that joyriders get who really are a menace on the road is ludicrous. Most people rely on their licences to work and enjoy a good standard of living so to lose that is devastating. But a joyrider gets a £100 fine which they probably won't pay and little will be done about it. Of course I know a lot of this is out of your hands with the judiciary.

Perhaps it was a little bit of a cheap shot regarding burglars but from personal expierace their isn't as much emphasis placed on this as their is on speeding. But a burglary can have devastating effects on peoples lives. There is also the issue of perception, even if this is not borne out in reality. The publics perception is that there is greater emphasis on speeding then burglary and that there is zero tolerance for speeders but a liberal softly-softly approach to burglars.

Quite. As an example - the local trading estate has one main east-west road running the entire length of the estate, plus a bunch of side roads which join up to form more or less parallel alternative east-west routes. All estate roads are subject to a 30 limit. This one main road, whilst not particularly wide, is at least wide enough and straight enough (along the majority of its length, at least) to give the majority of drivers the idea that the speed limit ought to be 40. The side roads are narrower, twistier, lined with parked vehicles (cars, vans, HGVs) on on or both sides, and have numerous turnings for access to the businesses on the estate - quite often I'll consider 30 to be an insanely high speed on these side roads, and most drivers seem to agree with me, slowing down in those areas of high hazard density without needing to be told to do so by a red-edged white disc at the side of the road.

Guess which road has a talivan lay-by...

So, on the days when the talivan is parked up on the main road, causing the majority of drivers to slow down, bunch up and generally feel slightly frustrated in their attempts to get to or from work, the minority of drivers who feel that even 40 is too slow will simply dive off down the side roads, bypass the talivan, and continue driving at the same 40+ speeds. Meanwhile, any newbie driver to the area who doesn't yet know about this talivan hunting ground and hasn't been forced to slow down by the traffic ahead of them, will most likely be doing a nice safe 35-40 and end up as yet another notch on the talivan camera mount.


In short, by placing the talivan on the main road, the minority of idiots whos speed is slightly excessive even for the main road are simply encouraged to take that speed onto roads where it's completely insane, but where they're completely free from detection. Safety cameras, I don't think so...

Tax cam stickers? No but think of the big picture. It’s only us (the public) that will rid this country of these dreadful machines we should stand together as one voice. It’s the only way.
The system of this country is not going to give these things up easily due to the money that is evolved.
Because we are divided is the reason they are getting away with what they’re doing.
The two people who are uniting us are Paul smith and Idris Francis.
Not forgetting the tyre fitters