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A bit late I know but I have just updated to "summer time" on on the User Control Panel. I know this manual change used to be necessary but you would think that it would change automatically now.

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Malcolm W.
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Well I can make the Board read into a Plus one hour but then the whole board is wrong for any foreign visitors and the admin/server logs etc are 'wrong' their systems ...
I did consider making it this way but decided to leave it how it has always been .... I will consider making the UK preference the permanent setting if enough people feel strongly about it, and what longer term problems might result if I did that ...

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We would all be a LOT better off if we just stopped the ridiculous changing of the clocks!

I didn't change my car clock back in October, so that was just ONE little job I didn't have to do then or now!

I believe that ROSPA state that car accidents increase when the clocks are changed, so that alone is a good enough reason to leave them alone... just think of the children whose lives could be saved...!

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Yep I think we should stop 'springing forward & falling back' .... it's of no help in Scotland and they are considering being different if the UK continues - even more madness !
I am happy on GMT and I understand some of the issues that can help but farmers hate it ....
If it is truly meant to help kids being safer going to school - what do they do in winter ? And why is it safer in winter than in spring / summer ?

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In this day and age, I would advocate adopting CET all year around! In a world which some await the opening of markets on the other side of the world, the fewer changes in time zones the better!

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Could we change the name of this thread please? It is not a "time change" - it is a "clock change" Summer time is merely an elaborate trick to persuade people to get up an hour earlier and, in its present form, is a bloody nuisance. In the old Soviet Union they had one time zone across the entire country and adopted there working hours to their location.

Rather than changing by one hour it would make more sense to change by ten minutes every month or thirty seconds every day or even continuously. Modern technology could easily produce a watch to do this automatically and give us the benefit of increased evening light without the disruption of large twice yearly changes. Pass me the address of the patent office - or my pills.

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Well that's my £6,000 Rolex made redundant then

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You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

Sorry, "Prior Art" might apply

AIUI The concept of "Time zones" didnt exist until the railways rolled out across the country.

Every community used its own local time based on the local Midday (IYSWIM)

Stagecoachs traveling east/west would carry timepieces that would run either fast or slow depending on their direction of travel so that they would tend to arive at the correct local time for timetabling purposes.

With railways this trick was just too complicated to apply so a national "Railway time" was used. Railway station clocks often had two minute hands showing local and railway time.

Personally I like my daylight in the afternoon and evening. Summer time and double-summer time (as used during WW2) would suit me just fine!

OTOH I have never really understood the argument about farmers. The Cows need milking when they need milking, (And the hay needs cutting when it needs cutting) they dont look at there little bovine hoofwatches and start mooing cos its six AM?

I would have thought that farming was one of the proffessions least tied to the numerical time?

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Do we actually even need time zones?

Let’s say I get up and start work at what we currently call 8:00 a.m. but because the world time has been globally fixed in LA at 8:00 a.m. my clock actually reads 4:00 p.m. here in the U.K.

So what? It’s just a change of mindset that I start at what we in the UK would now call 4 o'clock and finish at Midnight but it would still be light of course. Nothing has actually changed except what number we attribute to a point in time. When I’m flying to any destination the time would always be correct too

Did that make sense? Am I thinking outside the box or do I just need to be locked in one? Imagine how much easier and clearer it would be in terms of world business and organisation.

This sounds too easy There must be a flaw in my thinking but I can’t think what, other than “it’s always been that way”.

Edit: Ah, just thought of something..

We would need to change all time pieces to a 24 hour clock. My watch would need double the ‘top of the hours’ so as not to get confused.

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You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

You make perfect sense. As I said that is what the did in the old USSR. But there seems to be an ingrained reluctance in most people to working at 4am even if the Sun has been risen for several hours.

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When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

The gov has plans to change all our clock to 1 hr ahead to 'fit in with the EU'.
Does time matter ? Or is it a National Identity. This Gov has abandoned the Greenwich Point and in doing so taken some of our National and Global World Clock standing with it. It seems like they are rushing to de-identify us as a Nation in some respects ...
So that is psychology. A lot of it is psychology. We used to have many more days off in Victorian times it seems according to a TV program that I watched about 'yester years' about 4 months ago ...
So do we (well some) object because in fact it is more than time but part of an identity ?
It is our place in time that identifies us in fact.
Psychology - no one wants to know that they are having to get up at 4am to work - some do but it is considered 'unsocial' 'not normal'. The common standards become de-marked. People like to be seen as within all 'normal' boundaries - that helps sets benchmarks ...
I notice the daylight (in the summer and much darker in the winter), to a massive degree, yet our clocks are on the same time-frames.

If I work late that may be 'normal' for me but it is not considered normal behaviour it is frowned upon ... when convenience to others becomes effected that is when the balance changes. If you want a medical professional in 'normal hours' it helps you set your timetable of events and schedule in other events too. If everyone worked all over the time frames then whilst it may work and in some cases be an improvement to services it would be considered by the masses to be odd and not normal and difficult to deal with.

The farmers don't like the change as it means they have to milk the cows in less time - cows tend to be milked twice daily at certain times, when the clock changes they have less time to get their milk to the producer and him in turn to the shops ... It is commerce that drives the pressure then not the natural milking habit.

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Not here it isn't - when the clock changes, the farmers have to get up at exactly the same time as they did the day before - the cows will be stood waiting at the same hour of the day no matter WHAT the clock says.
When it goes forwards, the tanker turns up later - if it turned up at the same "time" shown on the clock, the milk would not be ready - you cannot rush a cow - let alone a big herd of them!!

When the hour goes back, the farmer has to fore go his lie in, and the tanker turns up longer after they have finished milking.

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