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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6888831.ece


I'm sure a tripling of fuel duty will be greeted with waves of acclaim across the country. And who believes for a second that other taxes would be reduced to compensate?

It is a sad reflection of the state of politics in this country that all three "major parties" have been involved in this - you can understand why people feel driven to vote for the odious BNP

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed

The Government waste lots of money on thinking up justifications for reducing oil and gas usage on spurious environmental grounds. It would be easier if they just came out and said that for geopolitical reasons we have to reduce our dependence on the untrustworthy Arabs and Russians.

At least that would be believable.

P.S. If Lord Turner is head of the FSA and also some climate quango, how can he do either job properly if they are so important?

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Malcolm W.
The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not represent the views of Safespeed.

Since new cars are more fuel efficient and getting more so all the time should we not have more of them and get the older less fuel efficient ones off the road? Al this will do is pursuade more of us to keep our old cars for longer.

I, personally, cannot see a reason to buy a new car. There is so much great metal out there for amazing prices second hand. I think a more appropiate title for this thread would be "Fuel duty to Triple in next decade". Even though it hasn't been approved yet I know but it would be a more relevant threat to everyone as opposed to tax on new cars.

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It is a win win for the government, price the poor off the road, raise more tax.... till everyone riots

If a road users party sprung up offering anti greenwash policies we could pick up those votes instead...

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

Hang on a minute.....just a few months ago, weren't they offering £2000 OFF the price of a new car, to encourage us to buy NEW....now they are putting £3000 ON the price of a new car to encourage us to do what???.....stay with OLD cars......DOH!!!

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

Where to start.
Oh yes: Scrappage.
250,000 cars scrapped to get 2000 quid off a new car (which won't last as long....some say a car bought today will only last 7 years)
So: The price of second-user cars is going to go up. Especially as the ones being scrapped tend to be in the 5-year-old range...
Now we come to tax. The "green" taxes have come as a godsend to the polo-parties.
A massive increase in taxation is inevitable WHICHEVER party rules, even the BNP.
The state machine is so overmanned and cumbersome (some say inefficient....but I doubt that inefficient is anywhere near being the adjective I would use) that in any reasonable world it would be seen to be so. Not in this world though....everything means more people have to be employed to make things better...which it/they do not.
From SCP to the highways agency, the government machine grows day-by-day.
All those people need paying. More to the point, they all have access to the best pension scheme in the world. Their pension is index linked....at the present time it is index linked plus a bit. Their pension is not provided by investment, it is provided for from current income. Their pension is the largest dept in the world. one TRILLION pounds and counting.
Now tell me that they do not need more taxes. Whichever government rules it will need more tax money....lots more. If they were honest (which they ever-so-plainly are not) they would tell you: "income tax needs to go up to 60% across the board immediately"
In 50 years (or less) the old-age-pension will have to end...no matter what....and medical care will also have to increase in cost....
Quite simply: They cannot pay us anything...they need it all to pay themselves.

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The world runs on oil, period. No other substance can compete when it comes to energy density, flexibility, ease of handling, ease of transportation. If oil didn’t exist we would have to invent it.”

56 years after it was decided it was needed, the Bedford Bypass is nearing completion. The last single carriageway length of it.We have the most photogenic mayor though, always being photographed doing nothing

Quite...

I'm sure the Society of Motor Manufactuers and Traders will be drafting their lobbying letter as we speak!

If I leave the house right now, and fill my car with unleaded, it will cost me 11.37% of my basic, pre tax weekly wage in tax alone. As it stands today, trebling fuel duty would have a litre of unleaded at £2.41.5p which would make running my 120mpg bike as expensive as my 40mpg car does right now.

If we move to a system of taxation where we are taxed on how much energy/carbon we use, then fine, but that must include EVERYONE and it must all be taxed the same. So take road fuel as the bench mark, then put the same duty on aviation, red diesel, train diesel, electricity, no rebate for buses, gas, you name it, if it is energy, tax it.

If the income tax was reduced to compensate, it is conceivable that a person that lives in London and has no use for a car but has a decent paying job, could be paying less tax than a person the needs a car in a rural area and gets paid half the londoner. You could have situations were the really stinking rich would hardly be effected by changes because energy couldn't be taxed highly enough to hurt them.

And as has already been stated, why subsidize a new car to the tune of £2k one year then tell us how evil were are the next and charge us £3.5k the next for the same purchase.

What I think is happening is an all party support for carbon reduction/greenwash. No party dares fight against the greenwash. there is a mad game where no one dares blink first. A climite change policy cannot be chalanged or scrutinised becaus if you started to scrutinize the whole pack of cards would start to crumble to the floor.

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

Hell knows if there was a car party then I would vote.

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Currently undergoing training with the I.A.M.

I've a feeling we already do! (and have done since rich people were invented)!

It would, however, create a powerful incentive to live in cities, thereby further de-populating rural areas until their hospitals, schools etc become non-viable.


-to build up a handy fund ready to offer a £2k subsidy a couple of years after that - when the manufacturers start whining about not selling any cars perhaps?