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I am all for reducing the litter dropped but are we just trying to teach them to expect to pay regular fines?

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“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

Woah woah... "Wardens" - there are "litter wardens" now?

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Following the on-going wars against the Poor, the Motorist and the Student the Government today declared war on the Child. A Government spokesman said, "children bring little to the economy, they pay few taxes and the little they pay tends to be on money received from the dependees."

The new operation targets children dropping litter and gives them an on-the-spot fine of £75, more than the average monthly income of children under 16. The Government is keen to point out that growing up and learning should be a expensive privilege, not a right, and that children should have a full knowledge of the law before they're born.

The pro-common-sense group "Children are our Future" said "It is wrong to expect children to obey the law completely and suffer the same penalties as adults. Children should be allowed to make mistakes and be corrected is the most civilised way properly rather than slapped with a fixed fine which they alone probably could not possibly pay. Instead we should focus on educating children, and little-picking programmes, as part of school education. Also the councils should make sure there are enough bins provided where litter is a problem."

"Children are essential to the economy and without children, the economy would collapse with in half a century".

However, Bin, the pavement and grass charity said, "For every 5% increase amount of litter not chucked away, the pavement and grass becomes 5% sadder. We give our full support to the action carried out by the authorities and suggest that more litter wardens be employed. We would also like to see CCTV enforcement and for frequent offenders to wear big name tags."

when I am Prime Minister, people will be shot for dropping litter, fly tippers will have their families shot too. People with noisey exhausts will be fed live into mincing machines.

My house in right next to a bus stop, and my garden gets other peoples litter in it dispite there being a bin right next to the bus stop sign.

This island is too crowded to have selfish gits in it.

Whether or not this is the right or wrong way of getting young people to not drop litter I wouldn't like to say.

Well....Mrs Thatcher did once say: "The polluter must pay" and in this case I agree with her. I've got no sympathy at all with people who chuck rubbish around (it's never near their own home, have you noticed? Ditto for some Dog owners). I'm with you Adam.........However, with the current climate surrounding bin collections and stasi like Councils attitude...I can only see it getting worse!

Litter-dropping is certainly bad. But the thing that irritates me when I see stories about large fines for dropping litter (even things like cigarette butts) is that I can't help thinking of the "travellers" (I can think of better names for most of them) who dump huge amounts of crap (sometimes literally) everywhere they go and never get punished for it (or for the stealing/assaulting/intimidating/threatening/etc that they do), because the authorities are too scared of them.

Once again, it's a case of the authorities punishing those who they think of as soft and/or profitable targets, rather than those who are the worst offenders, who must be wetting themselves laughing at how they're getting away with it time and time again. It's fine punishing one-off incidents of littering, as long as the more serious offenders are punished in a correspondingly more severe way.

(By the way, I have personal experience of "travellers" doing everything that I have listed. And something tells me they don't register their Range Rovers or top-of-the-range caravans.)

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"The freedom provided by the motor vehicle is not universally applauded, however: there are those who resent the loss of state control over individual choice that the car represents. Such people rarely admit their prejudices openly; instead, they make false or exaggerated claims about the adverse effects of road transport in order to justify calls for higher taxation or restrictions on mobility." (Conservative Way Forward: Stop The War Against Drivers)

The Head Teacher should be ashamed that she couldn’t control the litter problem. There are a lot better ways to educate children about litter. Have we really got so crap in this country the only solution we can ever think of is fining people? Now it’s children pathetic.

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Why try and stop something when you can encourage it and charge people for doing it?

So what do the kids learn from this? Don't get caught.

Is there any legal reason to tell a "litter warden" your correct name/address/etc.?

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Andrew.

Personally I think that's an invaluable lesson that everyone needs to learn....

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Paul Smith: a legend.

"The freedom provided by the motor vehicle is not universally applauded, however: there are those who resent the loss of state control over individual choice that the car represents. Such people rarely admit their prejudices openly; instead, they make false or exaggerated claims about the adverse effects of road transport in order to justify calls for higher taxation or restrictions on mobility." (Conservative Way Forward: Stop The War Against Drivers)

The Clean Neighbourhoods and Environment Act 2005 makes it an offence not to give a correct name and address to an "Authorised Officer"