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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 11:19 
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No hard shoulder driving on M25
By Gary Cleland
Last Updated: 1:37am GMT 26/12/2007

The M25 will not be included in an innovative scheme to reduce congestion on major roads by allowing motorists to drive on the hard shoulder at peak times, the Government has confirmed.

The Highways Agency is planning instead to widen the London ring-road, one of Europe's busiest motorways, despite criticism from environmental campaigners.

Converting hard shoulders for traffic use costs between £5 million and £15 million a mile while widening a 63-mile stretch of the 118-mile M25 will cost £79 million a mile.

Stephen Joseph, of the Campaign for Better Transport, said: "The more the Government expands the main road network and generates traffic on it, the more surrounding roads will jam up.

"The biggest argument in favour of hard shoulder running is that it manages the traffic much more carefully."

A trial of the hard shoulder scheme, on the M42 near Birmingham, has been deemed a success by Ruth Kelly, the Transport Secretary.

A study has been commissioned to examine how to introduce it on other motorways.

However, a Department for Transport spokesman said: "The M25 is a key strategic route which is critical to the UK economy and has some of the highest traffic flows in Europe. There is a strong case for providing an additional permanent lane along this route."

The RAC Foundation backed the announcement. Sheila Rainger, head of campaigns at the foundation, said: "Hard shoulder running is a good short-term solution and we have backed trials, although it seems very early to be rolling it out across the country on the basis of a six-month trial on the M42.

"It cannot be a substitute for a proper widening programme."


I see Ruth Kelly is at it again, she'll mess up UK motoring even more, Just like all her other projects.

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She's already had to apologise for about 4-5 things in the last 2 months - if nothing else, it's amusing to see her mess one thing after another up.

£79mil per mile... how on earth did it become to so bloody expensive to lay a new lane? I'd love to see a breakdown of where this money goes before and after it goes to contractors


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I'd love to see a breakdown of where this money goes before and after it goes to contractors


Aye, I'd love to see who's fingers where in the pie, no doubt only the crumbs would actually be left for the road building.

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Stephen Joseph, of the Campaign for Better Transport wrote:
The more the Government expands the main road network and generates traffic on it, the more surrounding roads will jam up.


I'm not sure what narcotics are required to believe this point of view. The amount of traffic is finite, and if more of it is on the motorway then less will be on ancillary roads. Expanding the main road network does not "generate traffic".


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This isn't really too suprising. The M42 frequently converts the hard shoulder into an exit slip anyway, so when they open up the hard shoulder it allows people to queue for the next exit without messing up L1.

The M25 OTOH frequently converts L1 into an exit (ie. every time it intersects with another motorway, which is a lot of the time) so opening up the hard shoulder wont achieve very much as you'll still be stuck with only two lanes to carry on straight ahead.

The comment about expanding the M25 causing more traffic on local roads is also bollocks, a lot of the traffic on the M25 is people trying to get from one corner of the country to the other, eg, devon/cornwall/south wales -> east anglia/suffolk/essex but even if you ignore that, this can only be helpful.

Basicaly, driving in London is a pain in the arse, and if coming in from the M1 and wanting to get to South East London, the only option you have apart from going straight through is to go around the M25. If you can fix the M25 and make this option more appealing that it will actually reduce cross-city treks through central london, which can only be good for everyone, including the environment.


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Lum wrote:
The M25 OTOH frequently converts L1 into an exit (ie. every time it intersects with another motorway, which is a lot of the time) so opening up the hard shoulder wont achieve very much as you'll still be stuck with only two lanes to carry on straight ahead.


Agree to an extend Lum, however there is no reason (I can think of) that the markings could not be altered to allow the hard shoulder to become the 'exit queue' before the junction, whilst the hard shoulder during the junction would be required to preserve lane 1. This would, of course, be a permanent change.

It would certainly be infinitely cheaper than widening!


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It's a bit more than a repaint, often L1 peels away leaving you with a brief 2 lane stretch with no hard shoulder as L1 zooms off up into the air to join another motorway (or a godawful stacked roundabout)

To use the hard shoulders as exit queues would require re-engineering all the awkward junctions which is most likely the bulk of the work in the project. Comparatively speaking adding the extra lane in between the junctions will be a lot cheaper I suspect.

I really hate the style of junction where L1 peels away, especially when they have the option to exit from L2 as well. Just look at the havoc they cause on the M6 at the southbound M5 and A14 junctions


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Yes, if there is no hard shoulder between the off and on ramps then what I am visualising would not be possible.


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