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Dixie
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It's rasing it's head again, looks like we'll all have to stay at home.

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Commuters facing £350 parking tax
By David Millward, Transport Editor
Last Updated: 1:43am BST 25/09/2007

Commuters could face a "car parking tax" of as much as £350 a year to park at their workplace.

One council, Nottingham, is forecasting charges of £350 a year by 2014 as it looks to discourage people from travelling by car. Failing to pay the charge could lead to a £175 fine.

The "workplace parking levy" is seen as an alternative to road pricing. Nottingham city council, as reported in The Daily Telegraph last November, is the first of a number of councils ready to impose charges on companies that provide their staff with parking spaces.

It is anticipated that most firms would pass the cost on to staff rather than pay the bill themselves.

Many of the proposals for the levy are contained in applications for the Government's Transport Innovation Fund and the greatest detail is contained in a consultation document produced by Nottingham.

It proposed imposing the charge on companies with more than 10 staff parking spaces. The initial fee would be £185 a year from 2010, rising to £350 in 2014.

The Transport Act gives councils the powers to impose and enforce workplace parking levies.

Its provisions include allowing town halls to use enforcement officers who could not only inspect workplace car parks but issue parking tickets for anyone who had not paid.

With the maximum fine set at 50 per cent of the levy, a motorist could face a £175 penalty in Nottingham by 2014.

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What happens if your workplace already charges you for a parking permit? The fine is only half the cost of the charge so it is cheaper to tell them to stick it, assuming you can only be fined once for not paying the charge....

I am sure employers that chose to pass on the costs would find it harder to find employees than ones that actively paid any of these ridiculous taxes on just getting to work. I can see why more and more people are choosing to be economically inactive.
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So I assume this will all be controlled by satellite tracking? I travel 256 miles across the UK to get to work so pay a fair amount of tax on petrol. I’d also like to see whoever thinks up these ideas to try and do it themselves using public transport. If you ask me it’s just another stealth tax on the motorist, and you’ll pay a fine for failure to pay.

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How do you cope if your journey is FROM an area not served by public transport?

Some of the outlying valleys around here get a bus one day a week - just once each way!!
I dont think JT can get from his home to work or my home by public transport - I'm sure he would be over joyed to be charged for parking too when he got there!

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We don't look at the time table round here. We just look for the cloud of smoke coming out of the solent blue star bus :lol:

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Dixie wrote:
So I assume this will all be controlled by satellite tracking?

No, the tax is levied on the employer based on the number of parking places he provides for employers, and so therefore (as the article says) one of its attractions it that it's simple to collect compared with congestion charging.

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Peter, you are correct that the charge would be levied on employers. How then would the fine of £175 for non-payment be effected as this would (presumably) be part of Uniform Business Rates? That is unless the council set up a whole new collection infrastructure.

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Peter, you are correct that the charge would be levied on employers. How then would the fine of £175 for non-payment be effected as this would (presumably) be part of Uniform Business Rates? That is unless the council set up a whole new collection infrastructure.

From the article I assume they would have to.

And how can they issue a car with a parking ticket if the cost is paid by the employer? Surely it's entirely up to the employer whether to pass the cost on, and in practice one assumes some won't as the provision of a parking space would then be an attractive non-taxable benefit.

And what about shift workers travelling at times when there is no public transport provision?

There are a lot of unanswered questions here...

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It is anticipated that most firms would pass the cost on to staff rather than pay the bill themselves.


What has that got to do with them?

If I went for a job in the taxation zone I would expect the company to cover the cost....or no deal!

The problem with this form of taxation is it fuels inflation. Salaries are negotiated to cover cost of living increases....and this counts as a cost of living increase.

The whole thing is barking mad.

Where my wife used to work they introduced parking charges for staff (it was a Hospital) the two effects were:-

1) low paid workers left because they could not afford the cost causing a huge HR resource drain trying to recruit.

2) People abandoned the car parks and parked in the adjacent housing estates.

All in all a major home goal

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The details of what is being proposed in Nottingham can be seen here:

http://www.nottinghamcity.gov.uk/wtwpl.htm

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the 12 week consultation period, which closes on the 12th October 2007.


ok, so it hit the news today so has the consultation been running in secret?

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Having read the website, it would appear that there WILL be a new army of parking wardens checking on this policy.

"PCNs issued in the same way as decriminalised parking penalty notices... "

To answer Gizmo's indignant point, if companies do not pass on the charge to employees to discourage them from using their cars, then the scheme is merely Council Tax dressed up in a fancy green suit. Companies who want to enhance their reputation for corporate social responsibility will, of course, charge employees.

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To check the carpark at my Site they would have to wear full PPE hi-viz, hard hat, safety boots, gloves and eye protection, they would also require a Construction Skills Certification Scheme (CSCS) card they would also have to attend a site induction (and give full name and address), which I could make last an hour or more, any electical/ electronic equipment would need a current safety test certificate.

Huntingdon (sp) Life Sciences, BNFL and Brinks Matt etc. are just going to let these people in, I think not.

Who will pay the rebate if a worker is sacked.

Severe lack of 'joined up thinking'.

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I am employed by an IT Outsourcing company but am permanently based on-site at the head-office of one of my employer's customers, (which is a major bank). The bank does not employ me, nor pay my salary but I use their car-parking space. And I never drive to any of the sites of my employer, so who's responsible here?

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Since we are asking rhetorical questions ...

I have 31 parking spaces at my premises. If I declared, say, 9 (for senior managers :) ) and other staff then, without my say-so, parked in the yard (which is not marked out) would I have to pay anything.

This is just to show the ludicrous detail with which the rules for this would have to be written.

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Is this a Joke?

I have just looked at the link and cannot believe any one even thought this idea up.

Mind you many years ago I remember idiots talking about this type of thing.

Glad I don't work in Nottingham.
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I have just checked the web site link...

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WPL is a charge made for each parking space provided by an organisation and used by employees or some categories of business visitor. It is a charge on the organisation, not the employee, and it is up to the organisation whether or not they choose to pass the charge on to the employee. In essence, if someone is provided with parking at their place of work then a charge will be levied.


So it IS a form of "council tax" not "benefit in kind" So it has nothing to do with congestion. Why should this charge be passed on to the employee

Are companies expected to get parking fees from their visitors as well... :?

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If I run my own business from home will it have to pay for the parking that is currently provided by my own house? They really don't think these things through.
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teabelly wrote:
If I run my own business from home will it have to pay for the parking that is currently provided by my own house? They really don't think these things through.


Ony applies to campanies with more than 10 parking places...apparently

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Gizmo wrote:
So it IS a form of "council tax" not "benefit in kind" So it has nothing to do with congestion...
Correct. Just another tax. I believe (not sure) that TPTB are talking about introducing the congestion charge on motorbikes as well now. Well, motorbikes don't cause congestion - so it is like it always has been - just another tax.

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