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Tories plan supertax on gas guzzling vehicles By Charles Clover, Environment Editor and Toby Helm
Last Updated: 12:01am BST 13/09/2007

Motorists who buy environmentally unfriendly "gas guzzling" cars would be hit by a new batch of green "supertaxes" that would add thousands of pounds to the final bill under plans to be announced by David Cameron's advisers.

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In a triple assault on high-emission vehicles, they will propose a new "showroom tax" that would add 10 per cent to the cost of the biggest polluters, a new variable rate of VAT with the lowest charge for the greenest cars, and a new top band of vehicle excise duty that would add up to £200 to the annual cost of licensing "super polluters".

As a result, a car costing £30,000 that was ranked in the most environmentally damaging category would have £3,000 added in tax to the ordinary cost as well as paying full VAT of 17.5 per cent and additional road tax.

The ideas - drawn up to promote David Cameron's "green" credentials and encourage cleaner motoring - will be revealed in a policy report on the Quality of Life, written by Zac Goldsmith, the environmentalist and Tory candidate, and John Gummer, the former Tory environment minister.

The Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders said the report, seen by The Daily Telegraph, was cause for "great concern" to motorists and tens of thousands of workers in the UK car industry whose jobs would be under threat.

A spokesman said people driving more expensive, less efficient cars were already being stung three times by the tax system - through the existing higher rate of excise duty, through petrol taxes, and because more expensive cars attract more VAT.

The report also suggests incentives for cutting energy use in the home, and taxes to encourage people to take the train instead of short-haul flights.

However, the detailed car tax proposals are likely to be the biggest talking point.

Insiders say the aim is to cut the relative price of diesels and hybrid vehicles, currently more expensive than their petrol-only equivalents.


The effect of the new showroom tax, combined with the a variable rate of VAT, would be to make a Lexus RX400H 4x4 petrol/electric hybrid around £3,500 cheaper than the petrol version of the same car, instead of £4,500 more expensive as it is today.

Such "showroom" purchase taxes are already used successfully in other EU member states, such as Italy, to make small, efficient cars cheaper and to increase the price of less efficient models.

The report, which is not binding on Mr Cameron, will suggest that the tax should range from 0 to 10 per cent depending on a car's carbon emissions. The VAT rate would vary between five per cent to 17.5 per cent.

The proposed new top band of vehicle excise duty for "super polluting" car would apply to those that emit more than 300 grams of CO2 per kilometre (g/km) such as Bentley Continental (410g), Porsche Cayenne (329g), Range Roger Sport V8 4.4 petrol (352g) and the Toyota Land Cruiser 4.7 V8 (387g).

The new band H would be £100-£200 higher than the present band G, which starts at 225g/km.

Steven Norris, the former Tory minister and a key contributor to the report, said the Tories wanted to let buyers choose what sort of car to buy.

"We don't believe in stopping you from buying a Porsche Cayenne but you might find something that looks just as rooty-tooty and is much cheaper because it is the most economical in its class."

John Gummer, chairman of the group, said: "This is not about puritanism or egalitarianism. It is about saving the planet."

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Apart from having a good laugh at these idiots, you may like to know that the latest versions of the BMW X5 (the green lobby's "most hated vehicle" :) ) have pulled a trick on them and Ken Livingstone.

The twin turbo diesel version does 0 - 62mph in 7 seconds, 145mph and has emissions of ..... 213g/Km of CO2 and is thus in band F for VED, less than the proverbial Mondeo.

I have, of course, ordered one so I can feel smug.

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"you might find something that looks just as rooty-tooty"


Rooty. Tooty. WTF?!? Someone please tell me this is all just a really crap attempt at humour on the Conservatives part, and they don't actually mean anything they've been saying recently... If they keep this up any longer, I might start thinking that another 5 years of Labour wouldn't seem so bad after all :cry:

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That a new model? :lol:

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Jokes on them, I'll vote for a mainstream party who doesn't spout this green taxes crap....oh, there aren't any :oops:


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And when they have all this money what are they going to spend it on? Things which... use... energy? :o

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If they keep this up any longer, I might start thinking that another 5 years of Labour wouldn't seem so bad after all :cry:


:( this is what I am now starting to swing toward. I had been considering voting anything but labour, figuring Tory was most likely to get them out, but they have gone absolutely barmy with green ideas lately - far too far, and are just planning on penalising and taxing everyone for everything we do - even more so than Labour already do. I guess things don't change


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If they keep this up any longer, I might start thinking that another 5 years of Labour wouldn't seem so bad after all :cry:


:( this is what I am now starting to swing toward. I had been considering voting anything but labour, figuring Tory was most likely to get them out, but they have gone absolutely barmy with green ideas lately - far too far, and are just planning on penalising and taxing everyone for everything we do - even more so than Labour already do. I guess things don't change


The trouble is Gordon Brown will be laughing all the way to the bank because the Tories are playing right into his hands. I'd say that labour have a few more tricks up their sleeves yet, they're just playing a low key until the next election. If labour do get back in the flood gates will open. I will not be voting for any of them and, I hope a lot more of the British people do the same.

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I will not be voting for any of them and, I hope a lot more of the British people do the same.


Oh, I have no intention of giving my vote to the Brown one, and I'd love to see them booted out of Westminster in the mother and father of all landslides, because nothing short of a huge kick up the arse from the voters is going to have any chance of registering with them our true feelings towards the way they've behaved in the past few years-so long as they feel secure in their positions., they'll continue to ignore our attempts to get the message across with protests and petitions.

But... I really don't want them replaced with Camerons current craziness, so right now my vote wouldn't go there either. Liberals, nope. Greens, definitely not. BNP, not until hell freezes over, thaws out again, and the resultant flooding drowns all of its members. Hmm, running out of options here...

So whilst those of us who'd normally have voted Conservative struggle to choose an alternative, and end up fragmenting our opposition across various other parties, Labour are likely to once again mop up just enough support to get the majority they need, even if their victory doesn't accurately reflect the mood of the nation. Is anyone else just a teeny bit nostalgic for the days when we had clear differences between the major parties, and when choosing who to vote for wasn't reduced to a case of picking the least worst option?

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The twin turbo diesel version does 0 - 62mph in 7 seconds, 145mph and has emissions of ..... 213g/Km of CO2 and is thus in band F for VED, less than the proverbial Mondeo.

I have, of course, ordered one so I can feel smug.


I assume you will transfer your number plate. Spotting Malcolm has become a game with me.... :D

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If they keep this up any longer, I might start thinking that another 5 years of Labour wouldn't seem so bad after all :cry:


:( this is what I am now starting to swing toward. I had been considering voting anything but labour, figuring Tory was most likely to get them out, but they have gone absolutely barmy with green ideas lately - far too far, and are just planning on penalising and taxing everyone for everything we do - even more so than Labour already do. I guess things don't change



The problem we have is that we absolutely KNOW the mess that labour have made of the country, and are continuing to do. And most of it is directly down to Brown. Their ID cards, road pricing and interference in our lives surely has to be enough to make us all determined to boot them out.

I really don't want to vote for Cameron, but when the time comes, my vote is going where it will best hurt labour.

No excuses for the crap they come out with but they are up against a massive disadvantage with the amount of labour voters that Brown's created with his "benefits society".

Not voting isn't an option, there isn't a "none of the above" party

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I assume you will transfer your number plate. Spotting Malcolm has become a game with me.... :D

Yes, delivery will not be until next year though. I thought I'd seen you a few times around and about - I'll wave. :lol:

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BNP, not until hell freezes over, thaws out again, and the resultant flooding drowns all of its members. Hmm, running out of options here...


Hmmn! I dont know!

The fact that the LibLabCon hate the BNP Sooo much suggests to me that they are actually doing something right!

Thats good enough for me! :wink:

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The fact that the LibLabCon hate the BNP Sooo much suggests to me that they are actually doing something right!

Maybe they are doing something right but the BNP guy I heard on Radio 4 a little while back talking about "demongrelisation" and why we should "demongrelise" the country kinda made me think of another guy who had tried that in the past.

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The fact that the LibLabCon hate the BNP Sooo much suggests to me that they are actually doing something right!



No, it merely proves that even Lib/Lab/Con have some shred of decency left...

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The fact that the LibLabCon hate the BNP Sooo much suggests to me that they are actually doing something right!

Maybe they are doing something right but the BNP guy I heard on Radio 4 a little while back talking about "demongrelisation" and why we should "demongrelise" the country kinda made me think of another guy who had tried that in the past.


Quite. Every now and again I'll read/hear something from them that makes me think "hmm, that actually sounds reasonable", but then I come to my senses and remember that beneath whatever thin veneer of decency they might manage to build for themselves, there's a huge mass of deeply unpleasant crap lurking just below the surface, waiting to burst through.

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A charmless Scots nerk as current PM, an imbecile with a Scots surname and Ming, the merciless Scots geriatric... WTF? Are there no Englishmen left in positions of power, or is this all some sort of pay-back for the arse-kicking at Bannockburn?

The current problem seems to arise from the fact that our politicians are actually starting to believe that the tripe they are spouting about 'carbon footprints' and 'speed kills' is actually true, forgetting the basic nature of these fear-tax scams. They are also making the mistake of thinking that, as they have been democratically elected, they are somehow more intelligent than those that elected them.

I cannot name anyone that I would vote for in the next election. The only vote-winner for me is the fact that Brown is prepared to tell the Yanks to f*ck off rather than orbiting Moron Bush's rectum as Bliar did.

I was raised in a Tory household, but became an active trades-unionist in my first career in the Post Office (later BT). I would return to Toryism in the wake of Nu Labia's utterly crass position of 'Nanny Knows Best' and its reduction of any issue to the level of the lowest common denominator. But one glance at Cameron just makes me think 'Frat-House Twunt'. Lib Dem is not an option and has not been since the English Civil War...

Abstention is a vote for the incumbents, so God knows where my 'X' should fall - HELP!

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Welcome to the new world order MGBGT, ............You can VOTE for whomsoever you like, you can SAY whatever you like, except that "THEY" will decide who you can vote for............. or not to report to others what you say! And THEN they will DO to you whatever they please after they get you to Elect them.

Wasn't McCarthy GREAT! (another way of saying: "You're either with us or ag'in us)....................Just Like Thatcher and Bush. Unless you happened to disagree...............then it wasn't funny any more.

You've been Conned Man..................... We ALL have! Join the club!


Main thing is though, realise it!......


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