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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 19:21 
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Police want mobile jail cells to deal with protesters
Alan Travis, home affairs editor
Wednesday August 1, 2007
The Guardian

The police are pressing to be allowed to use mobile holding cells to deal with major protests at defence bases and to set up short-term jails to deal with football hooligans at sports grounds.

A Home Office consultation paper, released last night, shows that despite opposition from magistrates and lawyers, there is widespread police support for a change in the law to allow "short-term jails" to be set up inside stores such as Selfridges and Tesco to deal with shoplifters.

Some forces, including the Metropolitan police, Kent and the Ministry of Defence police want to go further with mobile holding cells being used "at key trouble spots" to deal with large-scale disturbances or protests, to save officers taking suspects to sometimes distant police stations.
The MoD police have told ministers they need the mobile cells to thwart protesters outside remote defence bases who, they say, allow themselves to be arrested so they draw frontline officers away from target areas.

The proposal for short-term "jails" in supermarkets was backed in the Home Office consultation by the British Retail Consortium, who told ministers it should be compulsory for retail shopping centres to provide these facilities as long as they operate according to strict criteria.

The Met say they are already considering allowing the temporary detention of prisoners for shoplifting in department stores and they want to expand the process to the arrest of football supporters.

But the idea has alarmed the Magistrates' Association, which said it serious concerns about the use of accommodation other than a police station.

"Anyone detained and therefore losing liberty must have the same rights and safeguards as they would at a designated police station. The overall impression is that speed is being put before the individual and is a downgrading to the entire approach to crime," the magistrates said.

The Criminal Law Solicitors' Association was also critical and was worried that if the cells were set up they would be abused and become overcrowded.

"If someone is to be detained, they should be detained properly and humanely," it said.


I don't like the sound of these proposals. Are they expecting an onslaught?

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If you get locked up in Tescos do you get clubcard points? Arethey planning a legal service to go with thier finacial and insurance products?
Do the 24 hour stores let you out at midnight on saturday? Lots of chioce of microwave meals in your cell including vegan, veggie and gluten free.

It seems very convenient. Maybe we should let Tescos run all the prisons. There are more stores than police stations. murderers down isle 1, flashers down isle 2, cyclists in the pet food isle and we had better not keep the clubers in the booze isle, try puting in the Andrex isle to dry out.

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A Home Office consultation paper, released last night, shows that despite opposition from magistrates and lawyers, there is widespread police support for a change in the law to allow "short-term jails" to be set up inside stores such as Selfridges and Tesco to deal with shoplifters.


Why do they need cells in superstores when shoplifting is now a FPN offence? It'd be difficult to exceed the £200(?) limit of the FPN without a shopping trolley.

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to save officers taking suspects to sometimes distant police stations.


Roost. Chickens. Home.

If so many stations hadn't been shut, and in Kent a lot of the smaller ones, such as Gillingham and Rainham, hadn't been shut, they wouldn't be so distant. :roll:

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Am surprised at the MoD police, every base I've served at had cells in the guard house...

Are they expecting to be making mass arrests???

Not worried about the public finally revolting over all the BS we've had over the years???

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Are they expecting to be making mass arrests???

Not worried about the public finally revolting over all the BS we've had over the years???


My thoughts exactly, police numbers are getting smaller every year, and our army (what's left of it) is over stretched. maybe it will be down to the our new army of traffic wardens and PCSO's.

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R1Nut wrote:
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A Home Office consultation paper, released last night, shows that despite opposition from magistrates and lawyers, there is widespread police support for a change in the law to allow "short-term jails" to be set up inside stores such as Selfridges and Tesco to deal with shoplifters.


Why do they need cells in superstores when shoplifting is now a FPN offence? It'd be difficult to exceed the £200(?) limit of the FPN without a shopping trolley.

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to save officers taking suspects to sometimes distant police stations.


Roost. Chickens. Home.

If so many stations hadn't been shut, and in Kent a lot of the smaller ones, such as Gillingham and Rainham, hadn't been shut, they wouldn't be so distant. :roll:


Do y'know R1Nut, I didn't always get on with my father terribly well....

But! He once had a hell of an argument with a Chief Constable whom he'd known from a boy at the same school. It was about the closure of our local village Police station/ house and the introduction of: "Panda cars" OR as it later became known: "Drive by Policing" :roll:

This was around 1960, ......... "Heartbeat" kinda' stuff! when the worst crime was someone trying to pinch your coal from your "coal hole"..

He was RIGHT! .. and do you know what? The mentality that did THAT is STILL here..... It always says: ...... "we Need to do things: cheaper!"

Never mind the quality feel the width........as the old TV programme used to say........eh?


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Draco wrote:
R1Nut wrote:
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A Home Office consultation paper, released last night, shows that despite opposition from magistrates and lawyers, there is widespread police support for a change in the law to allow "short-term jails" to be set up inside stores such as Selfridges and Tesco to deal with shoplifters.


Why do they need cells in superstores when shoplifting is now a FPN offence? It'd be difficult to exceed the £200(?) limit of the FPN without a shopping trolley.

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to save officers taking suspects to sometimes distant police stations.


Roost. Chickens. Home.

If so many stations hadn't been shut, and in Kent a lot of the smaller ones, such as Gillingham and Rainham, hadn't been shut, they wouldn't be so distant. :roll:


Do y'know R1Nut, I didn't always get on with my father terribly well....

But! He once had a hell of an argument with a Chief Constable whom he'd known from a boy at the same school. It was about the closure of our local village Police station/ house and the introduction of: "Panda cars" OR as it later became known: "Drive by Policing" :roll:

This was around 1960, ......... "Heartbeat" kinda' stuff! when the worst crime was someone trying to pinch your coal from your "coal hole"..

He was RIGHT! .. and do you know what? The mentality that did THAT is STILL here..... It always says: ...... "we Need to do things: cheaper!"

Never mind the quality feel the width........as the old TV programme used to say........eh?


I know what you mean. My brothers and I were a bit rowdy when in our youth and we got to know the local bobbies quite well; first name basis on both sides. We did manage to calm down after their lectures but if they hadn't been there. Just before I left the village, in which I lived, police station for 20 miles was closed.

Guess what happened to the crime stats of, mainly, person on person crimes?

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