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An "inconvenient" truth Hybrids are not "green"

Reasons to get one....

1) take advantage of a tax loophole (including congestion charge)

2) Try and kid yourself you are doing something for the environment

If you have any sense get an astra diesel and save yourself a packet.

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Speed camera policy Kills

I was amused by the contribution from one Prius owner:



which begs the question

"How should a Prius be driven (commanded?)?"

to which the answer is, clearly

"the way a Prius owner drives"

Do you thinnk he drives with a captains hat??

...and when required, you speak into the little mouthpiece on the bridge, and demand...

"Full Ahead Both!"

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Time to take responsibility for our actions.. and don't be afraid of speaking out!

Prius driver training school

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Speed camera policy Kills

Naa, that would be dangerously fast to use as a training vehicle...

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Science won over religion when they started installing lightning rods on churches.

Beat this then!

http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/newsandevents ... ends_race/

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

And don't think the big guys aren't interested too...

http://horsepowersports.com/fords-total ... r-project/

Sorry if this isn't new here.

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

good article.



Finally someone with "green" credentials willing to look at the facts, speak sense and not leap on the latest bandwagen, which is what anyone who really cares about the enviroment should do.

I've always thought of the hybrid as flawed, overated stop-gap technology with a sanctimonious marketing campaign.

And as for claims the "you have to drive the hybrid a certain way", you can get 70+mpg out of practically ANY family hatch if you care to drive it "a certain way". Fact is, most people don't.

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Fear is a weapon of mass distraction

if they really want to be green shouldn't they strip out all the extra weight in the car?

All the following could easily be removed but I guess the environment isn't important enough to them to make sacrifices this big:
Aircon, electric mirrors, electric windows, rear spoiler, cruise control, radio/cd player, satnav, clock, cupholders, power steering

Then we could start on soundproofing, abs, traction control, padded seats and so on.

Let's be honest, the invironmental lobby need vehicles to get around like everyone else, take Monbiot for example, cough cough.

The problem is, that most of these people have a transport requirement like the rest of us and in order that they aren't seen as hypocrites, a vehicle manufacturer comes up with a solution, hybrid technology. Don't however let the fact that this hybrid technology may not actually be effective, get in the way of allowing the nannys to feel better about themselves.

Actually, thats why I like *old* landrovers/range rovers (The modern ones are far too techcy)

They are not very comfortable and the fuel consumption is not brilliant but the fact that they last pretty well for ever more than compensates for this!

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"The road to a police state is paved with public safety legislation"

Oh, you mean a Citroen 2CV!


I knew they had to be students! If it catches fire in the pits, there will be a queue waiting to breath in the smoke!

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Time to take responsibility for our actions.. and don't be afraid of speaking out!

UMM - biodegradable - "A "biodegradable" product has the ability to break down, safely and relatively quickly, by biological means, into the raw materials of nature and disappear into the environment"--- so your new car disintegrates at a rate that would make even a 60's BMC/Fiat car look respectable

Grown from seed - hang on , i'll nip down to the BMW shop - got the ground well fertilised,and get som BMW seed .Problem is that i've got snail problems in my garden --will that mean that the body will suffer from snail trails ??

What sort of seed are they on ???

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

I think the article was a bit unfair in some ways. For a start, it's not Toyota's fault that Ken Livingston and other politicians were too stupid to look at it objectively and grant their exemptions to ANY car that could achieve a particular CO2 figure!

I also don't quite understand what all this "extra weight" stuff is all about. I had a quick look at the website and it's kerb weight is quoted as just over 1300kg (depending on options). Is that so bad for a modern 5 door saloon?

Then there's the "drive cycle argument". Last time I looked, there WAS a "steady-state" component to it - although I freely admit the urban cycle seems dominant, and the "steady state" bit is ridiculously slow by UK motorway standards.

FInally, although it IS true that the stop-start nature of the urban cycle bit favours the electric propulsion system. I spoke to one of the engineers that did the "official" test once and they weren't so daft as might be supposed. They did the test in such a way as to leave the battery with the same amount of charge as it started - otherwise it would have had a very unfair advantage because it could have used the battery as a "buffer" with the test being so short (i.e. come out of the test having taken more "energy" into the chamber than it was allowed to).

None of this means that I like the Prius OR that I think it's the answer to the world's problems. I do, however, think that hybrid powertrains (mated to modern diesels with particulate filters) could be a very valuable stop-gap though. Especially in the US!

Hey does this mean my '91 Golf is more green than a Prius? It's certainly a whole heap more fun to drive - oh sorry no fun with green issues

Barkstar

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The difference between intelligence and stupidity is that intelligence has limits.

carry more weight than it needs to means it's using more fuel than it needs to.


no but DON'T YOU CARE ABOUT THE CHILDREN?

pretty much, yes albeit with a slightly less agricultural engine. Somehow I don't see it catching on with the green-is-trendy crowd.

Ernest beat me to it. I was going to say the model T Ford. Looks like we could be going full circle.

Well, the heavier a vehicle, the safer it becomes and we all have to be safe don't we? Can't have little Johnny being tossed around in the back, the lazy little tosser.

It works with humans too: I once bumped into a big fat man and I came off worse. He had his own air bag on his belly. He requires more fuel than me, just like the fat cars. I heard he eats four Big Macs and a milk shake in one sitting.

This isn't good for him or the environment so he should be taxed more than me to force him to be healthier.

But hang on, if he's healthier he will live longer and consume more resources in the long term wont he? Maybe I've got it wrong...

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.