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Anyone point me in direction of up to date visibility "guidelines " for SCP vans and bikes so that they can claim their share of the "loot"

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Paul Smith
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OK- know they do not adhere to any , that's obvious from our local motorbike looking like a refugee from a garden centre when it emerges from the hedgerows, but aren't there some that they are "suppossed to " ,or tell us that they do ?

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DFT might help.

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Nope. All that ended on 31st March this year.

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Paul Smith
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Thanks Dixie - gives the outline. Might be enough.

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PM- have a look at pic- putting it on here would upset some folk-hence the interest in visibility.

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The rules on visibility are no longer valid. Not that they were that well obeyed anyway. If you're near Luton, there is a speed van that parks-up with the rear doors open (no chevrons or camera sign visible) and a ladder leaning against the van side. It IS a camera van because you can clearly see the gear inside when you're passing, and it is usually parked on a bend on the A6.

-ruined that idea.

Just found a pic on a SCP site of a SCP bike with biker in hi vis with camera crouched down low ,possibly that low that drivers couldn't see him - cant use pic as copyright would be brought in ,so was going to put in complaint on visibility grounds., but wanted up to date guidelines to quote. Didn't want to mention pic as site is guilty of removing bad PR quickly.

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From: LADYMAN, Steve [mailto:LADYMANS@parliament.uk]
Sent: 27 February 2006 21:15
To: Dr L
Subject: RE: Return to Camouflaged Speed Cameras

I've already replied. The story was pure speculation on behalf of the journalist who was told that ministers would have to consider re-regulation if that was the course followed by the partnerships. He chose not to write that.

Having spent a lot of time with the partnerships I know of none who are considering such action - but they do welcome the freedom not to have four people killed or seriously injured at a dangerous site BEFORE they can install a camera (the current rules) and to be allowed to use fine revenue to be pro-active about making sites safer using any road safety measure rather than having to use the money only for cameras and acting reactively which is the current position. This is the flexibility that partnerships have been given and not the 'freedom' that the journalist speculated about.

As this correspondence is becoming protracted I will not be able to respond again unless you write to me through your MP.

SL

-----Original Message-----
From: Dr L
Sent: 25 February 2006 15:52
To: LADYMAN, Steve
Cc: Paul Smith
Subject: RE: Return to Camouflaged Speed Cameras

I understood that journalists reported what was happening, or at least what they were told was happening, which you disputed, but the Norfolk Camera Partnership did not.

So I ask you directly if the requirement for speed camera is to be changed, or if there is such an intension, so that it would no longer be necessary for speed cameras to be clearly visible.

Dr L

CSCP vans look like they are out installing sunbeds!

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You can use the pic freely for review purposes, so feel free to post it here so we can rip it apart.

This lot look like the rider is slumped accross the bike. From any more than a few hundred yards possibly even looks like bike is un-attended, sitting inside a road junction --leave further conjecture /local knowledge to others.


Only problem i've got putting it on here is possibility of some SCP person getting upset thinking copyright has been breached.
Here's the link - pic is halfway down page.
motorbike man

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Copyright includes 'fair useage', which is basically people looking at a picture on t'internet and giving comment, for non-profit purposes.



Personally I don't see much wrong with that photo. I wouldn't miss that bike in a million sundays.

POD -after the last incident with a SCP - was taking no chances.

It's the bit about only part of his upper body being visible and of that a high percentage is hidden by the camera.Most of what is seen is the bike - looking like a standard police bike. A picture from further up the road would be nice, to show driver eye view.

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As a tv cameraman I can tell you that officer would almost certainly be fully visible from the road. But more importantly his bike is much more visible than himself and that is what is important.

From memory the spirit of the visibility guidelines ( which is what i was trying to get hold of ) mentioned persons in hi viz in plain view - not hidden/half hidden behind a bike.

It's not the visibility of the bike i'm questioning, but the bloke with the camera.
Seen any Blood delivery bikes - at a glance only difference is the word "Blood " on the front and sides. This could be one of them.
People go daft at the site of a HATO car, or a white van.
And last but not least - used to be at least one bike in similar livery parked outside a local motorbike shop.

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on