Earl Purple wrote:
The big difference is that bicycles are not cars. So the law does not have to be the same for both.
Since cyclists und their magazines are always saying that they are "traffic" und BC pulled up Ted for referring to "bicycle" und "traffic" accusing him of differentiating und giving a "different status".
Thys if cyclists want "equal status as "traffic" - then the law und road traffic rules with regard to "STOP" signs - whether big red sign or signal of any kind und requierement to stop at crossings have to be the SAME for all road users - including horses und pedestrians to a much lesser extent (I would love j-walking to be offence - sometimes ist most "aggressive") .
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There is a danger at a crossroads at an all-red phase if you don't know which light will turn green next. If it is the road you are crossing then it is indeed unsafe to go. Traffic on those roads will not be expecting a bicycle crossing their path as their light turns green.
Exactly the points raised by Mad Doc in the thread on the cycling sub forum, Liebchen.
If light ist a green for one road of junction - then they will not expect
anything to deliberately run the red one - und if an emergency vehicle does so - then they are supposed to use their blues/twos to alert other road users of their presence und only go if the other driver gives way to them. They cannot just blat through - per IG und per all the BiB on the PH site too.
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I'm referring more to
1. Pedestrian crossings when there are no pedestrians. Particularly the new ones that have no flashing-amber phase so it stays on a red phase for a long time.
We said that this ist slightly different und COAST related too. You can see if someone at kerb waiting for green man or not. There are perhaps more Toucan/Puffin than Pelican which do still flash the amber. Und if person ist on crossing at flashing stage - you still cannot go.
Und what ist a long time? I think these are about a second/two second - giving time for elderly to cross.
If on bike - I get my breath back
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2. All-pedestrian phases at a crossroads where the pedestrian lights are still green (so you know it is not about to turn green for the road you are crossing because it is safe for a pedestrian to cross and they cross slower). But at a time where there are no pedestrians. (Often the pedestrian phase is automatic. Or there is a pedestrian somewhere on the junction but not crossing your path).
If no pedestrian in sight - fine. If pedestrian on junction und continuing to cross - then you do not know for sure if they break into run - thinking they get oout of your way quicker. Far better to make eye contact und establish their intent - even waving them across so that you can continue without losing too much "momentum on the pedal"
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3. Left turns into a side-road where only traffic leaving that side-road may go (not oncoming traffic turning right). Ensure you give way to any pedestrians crossing it.
Highway Code says you should do this. They have right of way if already crossing. Ist COAST - you should see these!
Well in advance und know that they will be on the road und crossing or may not even look over shoulder und see anything indicating to turn left - whatever number of wheels!
Ist COAST - you look at body language .. there are clues. Und best one of all ist the "uniform Handy pose"
It does look ridiculous.. every man, woman und child gluing this gadget (which has more germs than a public lav seat
) to ear ...
I knew there was another reason why I could never get into the Handy worship
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4. Going ahead where traffic is merging from the right if there is a cycle lane anyway.
But not at lights. Und if chicane with priority for the other way - they are still required to obey too. (Not like the twit who rode straight through shaking his fist at the cars who had right of way but just stopped to allow him through. I am pleased to say he was so full of self righteous arm waving (und if you notice - person who make all the rude gestures on road ...always the one who make the silly error anyway. Germans und Swiss :cop: prosecute these rude gestures too...
)that he fail to notice the pot hole in road und got a bit of a come-uppance - but managed - only just - not to come off bike.
Moral.... keep hands on handlebars und keep calm und accept own error with apologetic und rueful smile might be better then
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5. Traffic lights for absolutely no reason, eg Canonbury Road crossing Canonbury Square where the latter is closed off, the "ahead" movement on some roads where the right-turn light is green and nothing is merging (and there are no pedestrians).
Then that ist different - but I would phone Highways dept of council und ask why these lights for no reason und estaablish why they are there.
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For car traffic, red means stop whatever, and I never run a red light in my car. Probably most cyclists who run red lights on their bike would also never do so in a car.
If they were fined und points on licence - they would not do so on bike either. That may come next given plans to kerb the nuisance mini-motor bikes.
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