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50W is a bit too much for any camera, but you should be there if you factor in the necessary: recording equipment, monitors, capture cards/switching gear and night-time illumination - so it's a fair point anyway.


And not to mention the cost from all the people, equipment, lighting, heating etc, these people use in maintaining the cameras and procesesing all the fines, police, councils and courts.

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'No Sun link' to climate change

A new scientific study concludes that changes in the Sun's output cannot be causing modern-day climate change.

It shows that for the last 20 years, the Sun's output has declined, yet temperatures on Earth have risen.

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I though I had recently read that the temperature on Mars was increasing too?


It would also seem to be the "weigh the facts as we want them" school of graphs.

http://cosmicrays.oulu.fi/

Funny, this one gives the average as greater then the mean in the first graph.
Must be the way the scales are drawn....always make the scale look extreme by skewing the timebase.


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BBC.co.uk wrote:
'No Sun link' to climate change

A new scientific study concludes that changes in the Sun's output cannot be causing modern-day climate change.

It shows that for the last 20 years, the Sun's output has declined, yet temperatures on Earth have risen.

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I though I had recently read that the temperature on Mars was increasing too?



It would also seem to be the "weigh the facts as we want them" school of graphs.

http://cosmicrays.oulu.fi/

Funny, this one gives the average as greater then the mean in the first graph.
Must be the way the scales are drawn....always make the scale look extreme by skewing the timebase.



Simple answer to this one . This is an 'Al Gore Cherrypicker' graph. The solar cycle was at its maximum (a photospheric, 13 year, combined with a chromospheric, 11 year) in 1987. I recorded chromospheric sunspots many times the diameter of the Earth and naked-eye spots from 1984 to 1992. Images of total eclipses in this period showed a shrunken corona as the two magnetic cycles 'fought it out' between them. The UV image of the Sun has been getting stronger steadily since UV could be captured on film and will continue to do so until the next 'Maunder minimum' in, by my fag-packet calculations, about 2150 to 2200.
The Sun is a fairly puny yellow dwarf, category G2 and, as such, is not big on making cosmic rays. Most collide with the Solar wind particles and are re-radiated at a longer wavelength as weak x-ray or far UV. It is the UV energy reaching the Earth's surface that is re-radiated at IR wavelengths that becomes trapped by being reflected from the water vapour, methane and CO2 in our atmosphere and heats up our planet.
Yet another BBC hatchet-job sponsored by Whitehall to support the crap that is Stern. A report that somehow overlooks the fact that our primary star is a dynamical, evolving astronomical object

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A letter from The Engineer with an interesting perspective on CO2 emissions.

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In a tongue-in-cheek examination of carbon reduction I offer a fourth law of thermodynamics. 'The rate of change of energy forms is directly proportional to the rate of change of economic growth.' Changes in energy forms creates byproducts, CO2 being of particular interest.

If I had large sums of money and was concerned about carbon emissions I could leave the money on deposit and live a frugal life. However, the bank would loan the money to others and could help fund coal-fired power stations in China.

I could establish a wind turbine company. Then I would need staff who would need salaries to enjoy holidays, buy cars and computers and heat their homes. The offices would need computers, heating, cooling and lighting. Staff would need cars to visit customers. And that is before a carbon audit could be carried out on manufacturing and installation. Studies suggest wind turbines have outputs far below their predicted figures: their uptake is dependent on subsidies.

I could plant forests but they are not clean engineering systems with quantifiable inputs and outputs. Would large forests upset the ecosystem in unexpected ways? What happens to a tree at the end of its life? When leaves and timber rot they create methane, a greenhouse gas that is 20 times more virulent than CO2. If I funded large forests in Indonesia how could I be sure they would be planted, or would not be burnt down in the future?

I could buy a year's output of Range Rovers and lock them in a warehouse. But for how long? Building a car generates more CO2 than its lifetime of burning fuel.

The only way to reduce carbon emissions is to destroy money. Even that is not problem-free — burning or landfill? No government is likely to pursue negative growth so carbon emissions are unlikely to decrease.

Because the climate change debate is so complex, it is unlikely any workable energy strategy will emerge that would remain valid, even for a few years. The best we can do is bumble on. Something will come along and save us — with a bit of luck. I hope I will be around to see it.

Martin Francis, Porthmadog, North Wales

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What really gets up my green friend's nostrils is them patio heaters springing up everywhere in the back of pubs. I expect we'll see even more now the smokers have been kicked outside.

Yep. This was foreseen as a consequence of the ban. My 3 locals have bought several patio heaters and they're on in the evening and some colder lunchtimes. They either do that or lose the trade!

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What really gets up my green friend's nostrils is them patio heaters springing up everywhere in the back of pubs. I expect we'll see even more now the smokers have been kicked outside.

Yep. This was foreseen as a consequence of the ban. My 3 locals have bought several patio heaters and they're on in the evening and some colder lunchtimes. They either do that or lose the trade!

This might interest you.

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What really gets up my green friend's nostrils is them patio heaters springing up everywhere in the back of pubs. I expect we'll see even more now the smokers have been kicked outside.

Yep. This was foreseen as a consequence of the ban. My 3 locals have bought several patio heaters and they're on in the evening and some colder lunchtimes. They either do that or lose the trade!

This might interest you.



It did ta :thumbsup:

On my way home tonight I noticed a huge sign on a bridge over a dual carriageway saying "be safe, leave a light on".

A quick Google shows that police all over the country seem to be giving the same advice.

How green is that? :idea:

Oh I see... everyone is now using those energy saving bulbs which cost seven quid each. You know the type - the bulb says 60 watt equivalent but it still looks more like 10. :soapbox:


Brilliant idea :lol: (Had to get that in before anyone else did)

Maybe I imagined it; it was just a filiment of my imagination.

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Maybe I imagined it; it was just a filiment of my imagination.

That would make me incandescent with rage :)


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Oh I see... everyone is now using those energy saving bulbs which cost seven quid each. You know the type - the bulb says 60 watt equivalent but it still looks more like 10. :soapbox:


You will need to get used to them because apparently you won't be able to purchase incandescent lamps in the not to near future. I've got a few low energy lamps in my house and to be honest once they have warmed up (which dosn't take long) they're not to bad. I also purchased three of them (phillips) from Morrisons the other week and they only cost £3.75 each. :D

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Ah compact florescent lamps are ok. Not so easy to spell, but... :lol:

(Except the small American ones which set fire to themselves but then American electrical equipment isn't always such good quality)

They don't seem to like being turned on and off too often though...?

One thing they don't seem to mention about filament lamps is what the "waste" energy is... It's pretty much all heat.

So you have to ask yourself is heat a waste?
In a well insulated house if you save 100 watts from the light bulbs then your heating system puts out about 100 watts extra...

However in external lighting (say, a set of traffic lights with halogen bulbs) the heat generated isn't needed.

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I promise not to mention that the compact energy-saving lamp contains mercury, up to 15mg per unit.
Disposing of them in the ordinary waste is an offence. They need specialist disposal.


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Should the phrase "energy saving" be used when these are sold? They use energy, they don't save any. Surely this is misleading?

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Perhaps the phrase 'Jumping on the Climate Change Bandwagon' would be closer to the mark..?

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MGBGT wrote:
Perhaps the phrase 'Jumping on the Climate Change Bandwagon' would be closer to the mark..?


....and as we all know, there's much money to be made from the "climate change bandwagon"......

Oh! You BAD, BAD, Boys you!.........driving those....."car" thingy's....


Still......Be assured that what-ever fuel that YOU don't burn....
WILL be burned by the CHINESE and INDIAN ecconomies.......in order to make bigger profits. (Often for western based Companies). Advertising "western" cars to a growing fuel and profit hungry market in the far east....

Enjoy!..............


So............


If the oil ain't burned HERE, but THERE.......instead;


In terms of global warming...........Whats the Ferching difference?


Maybe I'm missing something?


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Still......Be assured that what-ever fuel that YOU don't burn....
WILL be burned by the CHINESE and INDIAN ecconomies.......in order to make bigger profits. (Often for western based Companies).


I have just come back from a week in China. My first trip. Its a real eye opener. If you are worried about your carbon footprint (and I am not) just go there. You will see how ridiculous the concept is. It may satisfy some weird sence of self imposed guilt but go there and you will see how insignificant you realy are when you experience polution on such a massive scale. And its growing at an incredible rate.

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Mankind has only really been kicked out shit for around 150 years.

Krakatoa Kicked out more shit than mankind has ever done since we got the order of the boot from Eden.

We have had quite a few volcanic eruptions since although nothing as major.


It's all a scam.

Trouble is... An entire industy has spawned from it employing thousands of people.

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Ah compact florescent lamps are ok. Not so easy to spell, but... :lol:

(Except the small American ones which set fire to themselves but then American electrical equipment isn't always such good quality)

They don't seem to like being turned on and off too often though...?

One thing they don't seem to mention about filament lamps is what the "waste" energy is... It's pretty much all heat.

So you have to ask yourself is heat a waste?
In a well insulated house if you save 100 watts from the light bulbs then your heating system puts out about 100 watts extra...

However in external lighting (say, a set of traffic lights with halogen bulbs) the heat generated isn't needed.


Talking of fluorescent lamps; them big tubular ones are more economical than the incandescent type but they need energy to get started. There's a surge at switch on so, in short, unless you are going to leave them switched off for a long time it's better just to leave them on.

Seems like there always a down for every up in life :roll:

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Talking of fluorescent lamps; them big tubular ones are more economical than the incandescent type but they need energy to get started. There's a surge at switch on so, in short, unless you are going to leave them switched off for a long time it's better just to leave them on.

Seems like there always a down for every up in life :roll:

There was a some discussion in a previous thread here, it may or may not interest you :)


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Talking of fluorescent lamps; them big tubular ones are more economical than the incandescent type but they need energy to get started. There's a surge at switch on so, in short, unless you are going to leave them switched off for a long time it's better just to leave them on.

Seems like there always a down for every up in life :roll:

There was a some discussion in a previous thread here, it may or may not interest you :)



Good ta. :thumbsup:

Is there nothing this site hasn't covered? :)

I'd like to talk about why it is that there are millions of birds which must die at some point and yet you don't see them littering our streets and gardens? :)

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I'd like to talk about why it is that there are millions of birds which must die at some point and yet you don't see them littering our streets and gardens? :)

Hmm well we need to know how many birds die per year (or month, or whatever).
How many birds die not due to "natural causes" but by being caught by a bird eating animal? Most of these would disappear into said animal's tummy.
How much land in the UK is "streets and gardens" and how much is not?
When do the birds tend to die? If it is at night (when it is usually colder) then the chances are that even if a lot end up on the streets/gardens they will be 'collected' by a friendly fox, evil cat or other animal before there is anyone around to see it.
Cats might bring the dead birds they catch into the house, therefore this sighting wouldn't be included in the statistics for "streets and gardens".
I would guess that no matter where a bird dies there is probably an animal nearby looking for a feathery feast.
And any animal who goes around catching birds is likely to be scared of humans so wouldn't be doing it while someone is watching.

Of course I am no ornithologist, so what do I know?

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