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There are very good insurance policies available now, to cover the cost of divorce. Such a policy would make a good wedding present.

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What with the Pre-Nup as well, you may as well just live in sin. Oh hang on - I do

I nearly got married to an American girl, the one I mentioned earlier. We had one disagreement which was on child abuse, or circumcision as they euphemistically like to call it. (It was in her Bible). I didn’t know a child of eight days old could make a request to be abused and mutilated. Oh hang on again – they don’t.

When I pushed her on the matter she would always skirt the issue with things like “well yours looks okay”. Yeah, your God put it there and with good reason. As any red blooded ‘Cavalier’ would know, if you’ve ever caught it in a zip it f n’ hurts. I can only imagine what hacking the lot off would feel like.
What a way to bring an innocent child into the world!

Not sure if this is about mixed nationality marriages, religion or politics. All three I suspect...

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I'm the product of a mixed nationality marriage - and I turned out alright

For me this is the only sticking point:

I couldn't have a relationship with folks with a strong religious bent. Different races/colours are no issue at all, but the demands of some creeds are too much for folks like me to cope with.

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I thought so too when I met you; wasn’t so sure about the Kirpan you were wielding at me though.


Agreed, as I found out the hard way Steve. That said, I do know people from different faiths, or none, and they have worked out well but perhaps they are the exception. As you say, I too don't care about colour but the religion is usually a problem waiting to happen. In fact I'm sure I read somewhere that mixed relationships have a better success rate, in terms of longevity, than a 'normal' relationship.

I’ve spent ten years trying to get my head around my Italian on/off-girlfriend’s total and complete lack of commitment. Isn’t that usually a guy thing I mean I’m tall, dark, handsome, intelligent, strong, good in bed and most of all modest. What more could a woman want? I’ll even wear a wig if they don’t think bald is beautiful.

Confession time.. When I got married we didn’t discus religion, or rather it didn’t rear its ugly head until the day we had a child. We were having dinner at the Mother-in-law’s when the subject of Christening came up. I said we, (meaning me and my wife), hadn’t discussed it and that my view is that she shouldn’t be Christened because it should be our daughter’s choice when she is old enough and has the intelligence to make an informed decision.

My mother-in-law immediately shook her jowls in protest sternly telling me in no uncertain terms “Oh – she WILL be Christened!” and “Don’t be so stupid!” Long story short, we were soon divorced and my now ex-wife went over my head and had her Christened anyway thereby, IMO, taking away my daughter's right to decide for herself – rather like a Jewish or American boy has his right to hang on to his foreskin taken away, quite literally of course.

Ever since then I get a little bit pissy when the subject of Christenings comes up. People think it’s petty of me, I even got into an argument with an uncle once who said “but you are taking your daughter's right away for herself to be christened”. The moron couldn’t see how ridiculous that statement was.

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...but of course, there are two sides to that argument, are there not? It's not ok for your ex-wife to over-ride your wish that the child not be Christened, but it would have been ok if you had over-ridden her wish TO have it Christened? I find it very odd that any two people can get married WITHOUT discussing religion, to be honest! I mean, unless it's a purely civil thing, to change your tax status and so on, isn't the whole "marriage" thing a religious event anyway?

The idea of hacking off bits of one's "wee soldier" don't appeal to me and, not being Jewish, it's not something I've ever had to worry about. I believe the requirement was imposed when the Jews were wandering about in the Desert for 40 years after getting out of Egypt. In such conditions, I imagine infection control was probably more important than the psychological effects of the "child abuse". Certainly, they had all sorts of rules (religious rules because their understanding of science was not sufficiently evolved at that time for them to know otherwise) about washing themselves and throwing away cracked earthenware pots and so on. Again, it is likely that these were pretty esential if your whole race was going to go "camping" for 40 years and you wanted to survive!

When I was a kid, it was very common for kids to have tonsils, adenoids, appendix out. Obviously that can't be termed "child abuse" because it doesn't involve your "privates" and was, at the time, socially acceptable, but I wonder how it will be viewed 3000 years from now?

Yes, but the difference, as I tried to explain to my Uncle, was it should be up to the child if or when they want to be indoctrinated in that way. It’s the start of a lifetime of brainwashing. This is precisely why and how all religions manipulate so many humans from the cradle before they have the intellectual equipment to resist the damn poisonous stuff, (As the playwright Jonathan Miller once put it).

I’m not so sure they do; we certainly didn’t. We were too busy bonking and riding motorbikes. She was also unfaithful in our marriage, so to insist on a Christening does seem hypocritical and further threw me off the religious trail to come.

We got married at registry office. I don’t remember anyone praying but maybe there was a sing song or two; it was a long time ago now.

Agreed, but to systematically do it today is quite a different matter.

Are you trying to pull a fast one on me Mole? A necessary surgical procedure or serious preventative measure is very different. Circumcision is neither necessary nor preventing anything. There are many reasons and justifications for it and I’ve heard them all. The Victorians thought it might force young men to stop playing with themselves for instance.

On a different forum where this was discussed a man of a far eastern faith, amongst a million dumb replies, said he liked it because "it looks great - like a porn star".

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What Moley is saying is that at the time Judaisim proscribed circumcision it was indeed a good thing in that, in the absence of good ablution facilities, it limited many infections. Much as the proscription on eating pork was a good idea in the days when there was no cure for tapeworm infestation.

The sin is in carrying these ideas into the 21st century when modern medicine has resolved those problems.

Richard Dawkins gives a very good analogy. Why do moths fly into candle flames? Because when moths evolved the only lights in the sky were the far distant stars. And flying at a constant angle to a far distant light is an excellent way of flying in a straight line. But flying at a constant angle to a nearby light causes you to spiral into it. So perfectly rational behaviour, learned a long time ago, becomes very destructive in changed times. And that, in a nut shell, is the problem with so much religious practice.

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When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

Unfortunately, there are lots of things that parents have to do for kids without consulting them. I don't think there's any alternative, to be honest! We all end up, to varying extents, passing on our beliefs, predjudices, morals, to those we raise. You, for instance, would have indoctrinated it to believe that religion was "damned poisonous stuff", by the sound of it!


Aye, that's always a tricky one. It's like paedophile priests. Part of the damage they do is, obviously, to their victims, but they also do another sort of damage, which is damage to the perception of the faith from the outside. Clearly you're not religious and you think it's a load of twaddle (which is fair enough) but just 'cause your ex-Mrs professed a particular faith AND happened not to be averse to the odd "away fixture", doesn't mean that the religion itself is bad, just that she's not doing it right yet. And to be fair, it is bloody hard to do it right! Most religions acknowledge that and loom pretty kindly on those who keep trying!


That's what I'm saying really. We only THOUGHT it was "necessary" to hack tonsils out. Turns out that most kids who had them hacked out, had it done unnecessarily. Humans (Dawkins included, I expect!) are like that. As soon as they think they know it all, (which throughout history has been quite often, it seems!) they start making categorical pronouncements and (if they're really bright) the rest of the humans tend to go along with it and believe them. Then, sometimes hundreds of years later, sometimes only a few years later, they learn something else and realise that actually, that last idea was a pretty daft one! Pulling childrens' teeth out because their mouths were "too crowded" was all the rage when I was younger. (now if that's not barbaric I don't know what is!) but current thinking is that actually, that's not such a good idea after all.


Oh well, that's another potential career down the pan for me then!

Mrs M! is a left footer, but I am a lapsed left footer. So she would like to have young Saddam christened.

Personally, I don't have a big problem with it, as when he is older, I will make sure he gets a good basic overview of most of the religions that I can think of (and a few that I can think up) and he will (I hope) use that to believe whatever he wants to believe. I would not have him forced into worshipping thissaway or thataway.

Really a Philippine Christening is more of an excuse for a right good nosh up anyway, so I'm quite looking forward to it. Also, they aren't going to hack any bits off him.

Anyway, I can always neutralize the christening with a pot of woad, a full moon and a few pigeons entrails. Now, where did I put that virgin of 17 summers......

But that's my point Mark; let me tell you about my daughter...

(to paint the picture, I left my wife when my daughter was only one sadly)

Apart from daily/weekly worship from the church of hypocrites all her upbringing, she also likes McDonalds. Why?

Because, and I confess to complicity here, she has been taken there all throughout her upbringing by everyone. Not wishing to be 'Bad Dad', and wanting her to have a good time with me every weekend, I also used to take her there with her bestist friend and besitist friend’s mother every weekend as part of our regular outings.

McD is lively and fun with lots of colours and toys and things with food and noise and a weird looking guy with a big clown face. (No, not me!) As a result, her and a billion others have fallen for this very effective marketing which is no different to religions - is it not?

So then, let's go to a place, (church), where lots of friendly people go and have a good ole sing song. Tea and biscuits afterwards and hopefully not too many paedophiles.

I remember back in the mid 80's when I used to collect my daughter from church, when every priest was a peedo and it was rife! (Just as it seems to be these days in our more enlightened State). I used to feel very uncomfortable when my own daughter came running up to me in church after the brainwashing and jumped on my lap boasting to her friends "this is my daddy" and gave me a peck on the cheek. You have to cast your memory back to what was commonly happening in news back in the mid 80’s.

So Mark, I’m not so sure it’s as easy as you make out to leave the religious teat after such a formative McChurch or McMosque upbringing...

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I found it really easy Tone. Partially because church was so BORING. You would have had greater difficulty weaning me off the McDonalds.

I guess that if I had gone to one of those black pentacostle churches like on the Blues Brothers, it may have been a different story.

Young Saddam will go through his phase of believing in father christmas. I see this as no different to religion these days.

It's very odd that in the Philippines the church is seen as highly corrupt and manipulative, yet many still have a strong faith despite knowing that the church is so corrupt. You could say that they are for god but against the church, but still attend because, although run by the "ungodly" it is still gods house.

Agree with Mac D. People say they're rubbish but It's tasty rubbish

I did have some grub at church growing up, the body of Christ so I was told Some guy in a frock shoved it in me gob. It needed ketchup and a gurkin if you ask me. I didn't even get a happy hat but he made up for it by wearing a very silly one himself

I remember going to confession too. What's that about FFS? I was seven years old! What's the worst I could have done back then in the mid sixties?

"Well your nosey nobness, yesterday I saw a prozie and smoked a joint before robbing a bank. Later that day I stole a car..."

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Love it Tone


But ,i suppose I could say I've got a mixed nationality marriage .I'm from Inverness shire & my missus of 40+ years is a Yorkshire lass .

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