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Watching it now.

Not only has Aldgate, Edgware Rd, & Old St Underground's gone up, but a bus has also exploded in Russel Square.

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Reports still comming in. Very conflicting information on casualties.

There is going to be a lot of fall out from this, policitaly, legaly and socialy.

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Its not good at all. Def a sad day.

Been following it on pistonheads.


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Call me a conspiracy theorist but why is it the leaders are always away when these things happen?


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andys280176 wrote:
Call me a conspiracy theorist but why is it the leaders are always away when these things happen?


Are we talking about Red Ken, he was in Singapore at the time.
Maybe a "Respect" party member tipped him off.....oops did I say that.

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If I were a terrorist (or whatever the latest fad term is) I would have picked today and London as a target. The G8 starts today and all the anti-terrorist people are in Scotland.

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malcolmw wrote:
If I were a terrorist (or whatever the latest fad term is) I would have picked today and London as a target. The G8 starts today and all the anti-terrorist people are in Scotland.


Yes, and also all eyes being on London after it won the Olympic bid yesterday. Obviously a well thought-out and co-ordinated attack. I just hope they manage to catch some of those responsible and make them pay for what they've done.

Expect gridlock on the motorways and major roads around London after 4PM today when all those people in the centre need picking up from work....


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If andys280176 was a true conspiracy theorist , he might even suggest what better time than when you are with all the other leaders to demonstrate just how vulnerable we all are .

Better get more troops out ther to those oil rich nations pronto.... :evil:


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Brace yourselves for ID cards chaps. I can see it getting railroaded through parliament.

Central London is probably one of the most “observed” places on the planet. More cameras per square mile than probably anywhere else in the world. I am sure we will see the footage on the news from the cameras in due course but didn’t stop the terrorists though.

I fear the knee-jerk reaction from the government more than I fear further attacks.

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I think the Olympic announcement was a coincidence. Would the scum responsible for this would have called it off if Paris had won, which was where it seemed most likely to go? Nah, if they'd wanted to link it to the Olympics they'd have waited to see who won and bombed them later. I reckon this was timed with the G8 in mind, knowing that a lot of the security services attention would have been hundreds of miles north. Probably easier to hit London right now than it is normally, that's all. The fact that G8 is going on somewhere else in the UK gurantees headlines anyway. London winning the 2012 games was just a bonus for the bastards.

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There certainly is a danger of the Government using this attack as excuse to impose ID monitoring. Of course, we all know that the bomber with his valid ID will get on the bus in the morning ......

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I agree about the ID cards. I don't think they'll change anything other than giving the appearance that the Government are "doing something" to reduce the risk.


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Am I alone in thinking press freedom to report the results of these attacks minute by minute is feeding the terrorists?

I am not being critical of the media, but the reason that people might wish to avoid London in the future, is because of the widespread reporting of a terrorist attack. However, despite the regretable loss of life (35 reported so far), the impact in terms of deaths per annum is way below that of deaths by heart disease, smoking related illnesses, car accidents, and storm related deaths.

By reporting the attacks in this minute by minute manner, you are extending the impact over a whole day, and stretching people's emotions out on a wire.
The effect of terrorism would be lessened if you simply reported the facts the following day, in its entirety, with accurate figures. At the moment, the gaps in the facts that are being reported are leading to people summising what MIGHT be the truth, but which tommorrow morning might be nothing like. Casualty figures on BBC today have been 2 then 5 then 7, each new figure increasing the stress caused. It's now 35, and no doubt will be higher by tomorrow.

Last week I sent this to the BBC after a report on Hostage taking in Iraq. It has suddenly become pertinent again.

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I have long felt that our press freedom is actually a threat to our national well being, and your report on hostage taking confirms this.
Your reporter said the whole nation was affected by watching the video's, and so hostage taking was here to stay.
Surely if the videos were kept from the public, the effect they have would be lessened, and the effectiveness of the tactic reduced.
I appreciate you can find them on the internet, but in my experience, people only look because the press tells them they are there!

We should be prepared to forgoe our diet of instant news from competing networks, who seem proud of their ability to up date us each minute and stop giving the terrorists what they crave - a public perception of power.


None of us here would be any worse off if a press blackout were imposed, providing people could contact their immediate family to report their safety - and even that is stretching things under some circumstances!

Since I started typing this it has become 36 killed. Why report that figure - it is not going to be correct in even ten minutes, yet all over the country people are going to be saying "Oh dear" as they watch and wait. Get the FULL picture tommorrow!

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I heard that Israel warned of the blast before it happened causing Benjamin Netinyahoo, or whatever his name is, to cancel a speech in a building right next to Liverpool Street station.

How'd they know it was going to happen??



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If andys280176 was a true conspiracy theorist , he might even suggest what better time than when you are with all the other leaders to demonstrate just how vulnerable we all are .

Better get more troops out ther to those oil rich nations pronto.... :evil:

maybe we should all look at sites like IckeDownload.com, the answers could well be there :idea:


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It was a terrible thing that happened, and my heart goes out to all those affected.
It does, however, highlight the manufactured lack of spare capacity in the transport system.
With the underground closed - and I imagine it will be underused for weeks to come due to understandable public reluctance to use it - and buses affected as well, where does that leave commuters and shoppers?
The London road system has had its capacity decimated over the last few years with road and lane closures, road narrowing, one-way systems, bus lanes, unnecessary and badly-timed traffic lights, parking restrictions, road humps, chicanes and other traffic calming measures. Without this the roads might just have the spare capacity to cope with a partial or complete shutdown of the public transport system.
The very least that they can do is to suspend the congestion charge until things return to normal. If they won't take that small step, then they really are showing their true colours - as well as the real motives behind CC.

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My thought are with those killed or injured, and their families.

We may not be able to help directly, but we can help.

Contact the National Blood Service and ask if they could do with a pint of claret off you, the injured could well do with some, especially the burns victims.

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malcolmw wrote:
There certainly is a danger of the Government using this attack as excuse to impose ID monitoring. Of course, we all know that the bomber with his valid ID will get on the bus in the morning ......



Spain has ID cards. Did they prevent the Madrid bombing by Al Quida?

Case and point.

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Pete317 wrote:
IThe London road system has had its capacity decimated over the last few years with road and lane closures, road narrowing, one-way systems, bus lanes, unnecessary and badly-timed traffic lights, parking restrictions, road humps, chicanes and other traffic calming measures.

I wonder if trffic calming hindered the responce times of the emergency services?

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