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 Post subject: Re: Mk 2 Mondeo
PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 10:55 
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Cheers Dixie, I do have a Haynes manual although I've not always found them to be wholly useful.


Their boast, as I recall, was that they completely disassemble and re-assemble everything they publish...

I've always chuckled at that one - when you think about it it's a pretty lame sort of boast for a company publishing workshop manuals. I mean, what's the alternative?

"Use our excellent workshop manual as a guide to taking your car apart, though we haven't actually done the job ourselves..."

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 Post subject: Re: Mk 2 Mondeo
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"Use our excellent workshop manual as a guide to taking your car apart, though we haven't actually done the job ourselves..."

Sounds just like where I work, they are pretty good at designing the stuff but don't have a clue whether it will actually go together or not.
Invariably it doesn't and we have to sort their cock up's out for them (kind of ironic that they are paid the big bucks, and we are on burger flipper wages).

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Same everywhere you go Gix

The hammer makes all the noise while the nails do the real job of holding it all together.

You can only hope for a soft-faced hammer but it sounds like you have a lump, claw or sledge type at the top - but I hope he's a mallet with woodworm :)

(I think I know too much about hammers)

Next week I'll do files. I can guess what type your boss is, beginning with a 'B' ;)

Don't say it Gix!!! Don't let me temp you :D

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B*stard, C*nt, F*ckwit, P*ick & T*sser all rolled in to one Tone :lol:

Trouble is, no employer is paying the going rate these days and if it wasn't for my little sideline then I'd be better off on the dole.

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RP, is the new odometer reading higher or lower than the original? If it's higher, I wouldn't be bothered at all. If it's lower, I'd onlybe slightly bothered. As I understand it, there is no legal requirement for odometer mileage to be correct - only for sellers not to misrepresent what they're flogging to buyers (and even then, I'm not sure private sales are actually liable)!

I've had lots of speedos in lots of cars over the ages and the kind of old knackers I drive only sell for tens (sometimes low hundreds) of pounds. If yours is (or will be when you sell it) in the same kind of bracket, I don't think it's an issue.


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Yeah, you don't hear of too many prosecutions for maliciously winding on the odometer to cheat the purchaser into paying less. :)

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RP, is the new odometer reading higher or lower than the original? If it's higher, I wouldn't be bothered at all. If it's lower, I'd onlybe slightly bothered. As I understand it, there is no legal requirement for odometer mileage to be correct - only for sellers not to misrepresent what they're flogging to buyers (and even then, I'm not sure private sales are actually liable)!

I've had lots of speedos in lots of cars over the ages and the kind of old knackers I drive only sell for tens (sometimes low hundreds) of pounds. If yours is (or will be when you sell it) in the same kind of bracket, I don't think it's an issue.


I dunno Mole, I've not received it yet, should be arriving today :)

Thanks for the replies folks, I'll make a note of the original mileage and the mileage of the replacement and go from there. Ultimately however a P plate Mondeo isn't going to be worth a whole pile of cash with 90,000 or 150,000 miles on the clock. Mines done 189,000 BTW.

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Out of curiosity, is it a mechanical device or an electronic one? If it's mechanical just take it apart and move the numbers round?
If it's electronic won't it get the reading from the ECU? ie. isn't it only a display?

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Out of curiosity, is it a mechanical device or an electronic one? If it's mechanical just take it apart and move the numbers round?
If it's electronic won't it get the reading from the ECU? ie. isn't it only a display?


The speedo is an electronically operated needle but the mileage display is mechanical. Not sure I fancy stripping it down and moving the counters though :?

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Out of curiosity, is it a mechanical device or an electronic one? If it's mechanical just take it apart and move the numbers round?
If it's electronic won't it get the reading from the ECU? ie. isn't it only a display?


The speedo is an electronically operated needle but the mileage display is mechanical. Not sure I fancy stripping it down and moving the counters though :?

Ok, that's what I was thinking. The last dash board I had out (well, with a mechanical counter) didn't look too hard to get into to change the reading. I'm not sure if you'd have to take the digits apart or if you could just turn them though!

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Rigpig wrote:

I took the printed PDF file down to a local vehical electrical specialist and they said they couldn't do it because it was 'electronics mate'.
I resisted to ask them what the heck they actually did do then because I may need them in future :P


The difference is -

Electrical thick wires.

Electronics thin wires.

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Ziltro wrote:
The last dash board I had out (well, with a mechanical counter) didn't look too hard to get into to change the reading. I'm not sure if you'd have to take the digits apart or if you could just turn them though!

It's impossible to turn them back, and you can't manually wind them on either.
The only way you can adjust the mileage is to strip the whole lot down (watching where all those bits of metal between the digits go, and in what order they go in), rearrange it to display what you want, and then put it back together and hope it works.
It might be worth noting, you will NEVER get the digits to line up correctly after all this.

It's kind of amusing that the government bleated on about electronic dashboards being harder to tamper with because the exact opposite is true, it's less than a minute's work to clock a car with an electronic dash whereas you could easily waste half a day with a mechanical one.

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The only way you can adjust the mileage is to strip the whole lot down (watching where all those bits of metal between the digits go, and in what order they go in), rearrange it to display what you want, and then put it back together and hope it works.


Yep, that would be ME :lol:
I'd end up with loads of bits left over and a display that no longer functioned.
Still hadn't received the bugger as of yesterday though :(
Reckon a phone call will be required if aint here by lunchtime :x

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Gixxer wrote:
It's impossible to turn them back, and you can't manually wind them on either.
The only way you can adjust the mileage is to strip the whole lot down (watching where all those bits of metal between the digits go, and in what order they go in), rearrange it to display what you want, and then put it back together and hope it works.
It might be worth noting, you will NEVER get the digits to line up correctly after all this.

Oh don't say that. That sounds like a challenge. I'll only end up getting an old dash board now just to prove that I can do it. :P :lol:

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Ziltro wrote:
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It's impossible to turn them back, and you can't manually wind them on either.
The only way you can adjust the mileage is to strip the whole lot down (watching where all those bits of metal between the digits go, and in what order they go in), rearrange it to display what you want, and then put it back together and hope it works.
It might be worth noting, you will NEVER get the digits to line up correctly after all this.

Oh don't say that. That sounds like a challenge. I'll only end up getting an old dash board now just to prove that I can do it. :P :lol:

Well on some clocks you could wind them back with an electric drill in reverse, but you won't be turning the digits by hand on anything (say) after mid 70's in any direction.

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Well, job done. Not bad for £15 and the replacement came from a higher spec car than mine so I've got a rev counter now that I never had before, although I had to pop the ABS bulb out.
Speedo difference is 111,000 miles as near as makes no difference, so that won't be hard to remember either.

I've taken the old one apart and glared uselessly at the failing component on the PCB; I reckon anyone who could solder (Tone or Gix) would be able to bridge the little blighter and fix the original.

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Sounds like the old one is redundant but if you would like it as a spare I'm more than happy to pop in armed with my iron and solder.

I use proper solder, none of this lead free nonsense. Never done me any harm Image :)

I go to shropsire every now and then, in my job. I could always give you a shout when I know I'm up your way next?

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I use proper solder, none of this lead free nonsense. Never done me any harm




Lead free solder :shock: thats why my soldering is Sh*t

I've only just got used to not using TRIC to clean things with ! -- It made great fly killer :twisted:

I've just spent the afternoon soldering the wiring on an aircraft intercom . What a breath of fresh air !
The only real work I've done since they promoted me to management :o

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Lead free solder :shock: thats why my soldering is Sh*t

Quite likely. 60/40 Tin/Lead bud ;)

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I've only just got used to not using TRIC to clean things with !

Ah - sounds like you're using the same crap I used in America; the flux washes away with water. I think modern solder is a combination of camel sputum and beeswax.

H&S have intervened to force us all to use yet another thing which: -

Doesn't polute the environment
Doesn't have harmful side effects
Doesn't work!

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Found the answer to todays solder - TEMPLERS "TELUX " soldering flux - stick iron tip in when hot - coat liberarly onto joint ,dip solder end into flux- solder ,,stand clear of fumes ,& hey presto - a nice job - might want a clean with some non PC cleaner to remove excessflux - but what ho - .Then again -way back in the 70's we asked about the risks from solder flux fumes - "none " was the answer .Wonder what would be the answer today ??

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