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Here is a video http://www.videotiger.com/ferrarif430onfirevideo.shtml


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Safety Engineer wrote:
Halon F/X cannot be serviced and Halon systems are pretty much banned now, as for a home Halon F/X it's a grey area (it is an offence to discharge Halon/CFC gases by way from refridgeration/air conditioning systems and commercial fire systems), however, IIRC the legislation doesn't say anything about hand held F/Xs though :scratchchin:


Is it not the case that safety overrides environment?
That was the reason the rail companies got away with sounding 120 db horns close to built up areas - they claimed it was a necessary safety measure, and the EHO's could do nothing about it!

As long as no occasion arises in which I would need to use it, all I am doing is storing it. :)
If the need arises, I wont be wasting time looking for an environmentally friendly alternative!

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With regards Halon, unfortunately not !!

I did a project looking at alternatives to Halon systems for the MoD, even they had to get rid of the stuff.

PS am not disclosing anything I shouldn't, they ran a feature about this project in the national press.

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I did a project looking at alternatives to Halon systems for the MoD, even they had to get rid of the stuff.


Not for aviation applications. Basically nothing else comes close. Sunburn or 95% 3rd degree burns, I know which I'd choose :wink:


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Ernest Marsh wrote:
I once attended a fire training session at a caravan site where I worked part time... and they set an old caravan alight by leaving a chip pan on the cooker.
Ignition was ultimately achieved by breaking a window!
In just THREE and a HALF MINUTES it was reduced to a tow hitch, attached to two girders and a set of wheels!

We were told unless there was an extinguisher within 30 feet, then just wheel as many caravans away as you could safely!!


Huh? Surely you should move as many caravans as close as possible to the burning one. Then break the window to ignite it properly.

Then call the Top Gear (or Brainiac) film crew


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In the world of motorsport - where plumbed-in systems and a handheld are compulsory for most formats we have choice of AFFF (Aqueous film forming foam) or DuPont FE-36 liquified gas. The AFFF is cheapest and generally held to be pretty hopeless, and neither as good as Halon. That said an in-car system is designed to allow the crew to get out and nothing more.

Though I appreciate environmental concerns it seems crazy that the most effective extinguishant is banned - after all just how much polution will a burning car put into the atmosphere?

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If you ever have to work on an engine that has been on fire be very careful of the burnt rubber. Under certain conditions when burnt some of the materials used for O rings, seals, hoses etc. can form hydrofluoric acid. This is extemely nasty stuff even in small quantities. It is best not to take chances because the most effective form of treatment is amputation...


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