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And Paul - IMHO the current government is only the SECOND worst we've had... - the other one was Tory...


I'd say that in the last 2 decades they have become the same, now which ever party that takes over just carries on from where the other left off.

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And Paul - IMHO the current government is only the SECOND worst we've had... - the other one was Tory...


I'd say that in the last 2 decades they have become the same, now which ever party that takes over just carries on from where the other left off.


I'm inclined very much to agree with that, Dixie

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At least the overwhelming majority of Poles work hard...


They have to to make up for getting it wrong so often because they don't understand instructions in ENGLISH.

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At least the overwhelming majority of Poles work hard...


They have to to make up for getting it wrong so often because they don't understand instructions in ENGLISH.
But that's what us taxpayers are here for - to allow the LA's/Govt to spend millions on teaching english or producing leaflets in immigrant's language, to make sure they can claim the full amount (not) due to them...

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At least the overwhelming majority of Poles work hard...


They have to to make up for getting it wrong so often because they don't understand instructions in ENGLISH.
But that's what us taxpayers are here for - to allow the LA's/Govt to spend millions on teaching english or producing leaflets in immigrant's language, to make sure they can claim the full amount (not) due to them...


I'm sorry - I have a friend who works in benefits, she tells me the Poles have one of the lowest claim rates of all - MUCH lower (proportionally) than Brits

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As with any group of immigrants, when there is a huge influx, people will complain. Same when Jamaicans were brought over and Pakistanis, etc

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prof beard wrote:
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At least the overwhelming majority of Poles work hard...


They have to to make up for getting it wrong so often because they don't understand instructions in ENGLISH.
But that's what us taxpayers are here for - to allow the LA's/Govt to spend millions on teaching english or producing leaflets in immigrant's language, to make sure they can claim the full amount (not) due to them...


I'm sorry - I have a friend who works in benefits, she tells me the Poles have one of the lowest claim rates of all - MUCH lower (proportionally) than Brits


Just a thought… That might be true at the moment but, how long will it be before the Poles become the same as the Brits "I’m not paid enough to do that job".

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Dixie wrote:
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BottyBurp wrote:
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At least the overwhelming majority of Poles work hard...


They have to to make up for getting it wrong so often because they don't understand instructions in ENGLISH.
But that's what us taxpayers are here for - to allow the LA's/Govt to spend millions on teaching english or producing leaflets in immigrant's language, to make sure they can claim the full amount (not) due to them...


I'm sorry - I have a friend who works in benefits, she tells me the Poles have one of the lowest claim rates of all - MUCH lower (proportionally) than Brits


Just a thought… That might be true at the moment but, how long will it be before the Poles become the same as the Brits "I’m not paid enough to do that job".


There is always that danger, I suppose. Meanwhile, THIS amused me:

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topi ... 0&t=436801

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This current government is by far the worst I have ever seen. We need them gone at (almost) any price.


I just hope the majority of the British people can see this for themselves and, feel the same when it comes to the elections.


And what, other than revenge, would it achieve ?
Anyone who seriously thinks that the [elected] politicians have any influence, other than short-term, on policies is living in the past.....long-time-gone past.

You can have either Labour, Conservative, Lib-Dem or greens, whichever you have the policies will be basically the same. Although wearing different clothes. The country is ruled by non-elected people, and more non-elected rulers are employed every day. More and more "agencies", more and more "trusts" and more and more salaried freeloaders preaching doom and gloom. What do they get out of it ? They get the thrill of knowing they're going to win, because there is no way to get rid of them. In it for the ride, in it for life.


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did anyone read the article in the telegraph..........sat or sun can't remember about the need for a uk version of boris yeltsin.

the point was that we now have 'consensus' in british politics and 'consensus' is political speak for no choice aka no democracy.

i've said before, big tent politics is bad for everyone, it brings global warming dogma without debate, high taxes, speed kills, nannyism, large state and erosion of individual freedom.

there needs to be a revolution (albeit a polite british one) there needs to be a new thatcher.


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Some 2 per cent of Britain’s total electricity use is currently taken up by appliances left on stand-by rather than being switched off.


This is total b!"£$%s. Most of the devices that can be put into standy consume less than 2% of their operating consumption. The amount of power used by industry will completely swamp the amount of power used by devices on standby.


This rather stupid and ill informed statement comes from the efficiency of widely used electrical "transformers" which are incredibly efficient, being 98% efficient on full load........However!

On "no load" they consume almost the same power.........BUT! These transformers are usually used in the home only for a "control voltage" supply and are very small.

Any Motors, or large current demanding circuits are usually in the "OFF" position when in standby.

The transformers are taking only "milliamps" (therefore milliwatts) of power.............


It's a totally uninformed and ridiculous assumption by the unknowing elite who think that THEY know everything because they have been to University to study POLITICS and SOCIAL STUDIES!....

OH NO YOU FRIGGIN' DON'T!..................Matey! :lol:

You're talkin' Ball Cocks!...........


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On "no load" they consume almost the same power

No they don't, unless the transformer has an unusually low primary inductance, even then they don't consume 'power' (even though there is a significant lagging current).


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Given that most appliances (tv, sat etal) use switched mode power supplies...............................ie: minimal inductance. The amount used in standby depends on which parts of the unit are still "on" and not on the psu itself. My (crt) tv uses 35 watts on standby and the sky receiver unit uses 3.5 watts.
Who cares. If every gov department switched every night off at night, the rest of us could leave all ours on.


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Given that most appliances (tv, sat etal) use switched mode power supplies...............................ie: minimal inductance.

These are switched at very high frequencies, X=jwL so the standby current is still small when compared to that when under load. Also, the duty cycle adapts with load (unlike the direct driven variety) so further reducing the no-load losses.
Does your PC switching supply get hot to the tune of ~300 watts when you put it into suspension? If not where does the power go? ;)


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prof beard wrote:

I deeply disagree (as you might expect ;) ) - votes for the BNP are votes against democracy in my view.


:yesyes: Lets not lose sight of who the BNP are and what they stand for.


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Getting back onto the green issue, I saw this on sniffpetrol and thought how appropriate....
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smeggy wrote:
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On "no load" they consume almost the same power

No they don't, unless the transformer has an unusually low primary inductance, even then they don't consume 'power' (even though there is a significant lagging current).


RIGHT!..That Man! :D OK let's settle at something like 50% of full load transfer or summat!....

My point is that the "transformer" is MOST efficient when delivering it's Max. designed power transfer at the designed input and output voltages and currents....... about 98% I seem to remember at best. The most efficient machine known to man in fact!

If you start to reduce the load on the output side, the efficiency will drop off rapidly and a high load will STILL be taken for the primary despite the output load reduction.

Now "I" understand that it depends upon what type of transformer we are speaking, a power transformer leaving a Power Stn is NOT the same as one providing the various voltages within your computer or TV.

But the principle remains the same, only the figures change, percentages however may be more robust.

I getting old!...............D,you know? I remember ! "Glass" fronted starter doors and "Carbon" contacts!...................... :lol:


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Getting back onto the green issue, I saw this on sniffpetrol and thought how appropriate....
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Ammusing but a little unfair!

The G-Wiz is designed for city use under circumstances where it is unlikly to exceed 25MPH except on rare occasions.

Any sustained driving at its "Maximum" speed will likly drain the batteries within 10 minits.

The "Practical" range is about 10 mils/day (Repeated daily use at the "Maximum" range will kill the batteries within a year! There is no such thing as a deep cycle battery!)

In other words, its survival comparison is more with that of a bicycle or scooter than that of a Landcruiser.

On that basis I would say it does quite well!

I wouldnt want one to be my Only vehicle but I would be happy to have one as a local shopping trolly.

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If Cameron really wants to be Prime Minister, he must pledge to:

1. Hold a referendum on the EU Treaty (aka Constitution) - or better still, on getting out altogether.

2. Regain control of our borders and stop unlimited immigration.

3. Roll back the influence of the state and revert to "small government".

4. Reduce taxes where possible.

5. Drastically cull the bloated and unproductive state sector of useless non-jobs - e.g. "Lesbian Gay Bisexual and Transgender Outreach Co-ordinators" @ £30K pa (OK, a bit of a stereotype, but you know what I mean; have a look at the jobs section of the Guardian any week).

6. Change the "Welfare State" to a "Workfare State" - i.e. keep a safety net for the truly unfortunate but make skiving bastards work, or lose all their benfits.

7. Stop single motherhood being a viable and attractive career option for thick young women.

8. Get the police off "Equality and Diversity" courses and away from form-filling and box-ticking, and back on to the streets.

It might just get him elected, which all his "green" nonsense won't.

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Ammusing but a little unfair!

The G-Wiz is designed for city use under circumstances where it is unlikly to exceed 25MPH except on rare occasions.


I don't think it's that unfair - what would the effect be of a head-on between a G-Wiz and a bus/lorry/other large and fairly ungiving vehicle found on urban streets where both are travelling at typical urban speeds? I wonder also what the effect would be on a G-Wiz if it were t-boned by the aforementioned bus/lorry/etc... True, it's probably no less unsafe than a bike/scooter, but the problem is that it looks like a car, and so it's not going to be driven by people who necessarily understand the need to think like a biker when dealing with other traffic.

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