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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 08:28 
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Garage door gadget blinds police speed guns
By John Steele, Crime Correspondent
Last Updated: 12:01am BST 31/08/2007

A laser transmitter designed to open gates or garage doors automatically also blocks police speed guns, it has emerged.

A businessman with nine points on his driving licence has been convicted of perverting the course of justice after a jury found he used the device - known as the Target LT (Laser Track) 400 - to block detector guns and avoid a further speeding conviction.

John Eady, 61, from Sheffield, was disqualified from driving for 12 months and fined £5,000 at Doncaster Crown Court after he was found guilty earlier this month.

Last night, the Chief Constable of South Yorkshire, Meredydd Hughes, the head of roads policing for the Association of Chief Police Officers, said he believed Eady was the first person to be convicted for using such a device.

He added: "Roads policing officers have been briefed on how to detect the devices in action and the appropriate steps to be taken to ensure the successful prosecution of the law-breakers who use them."

Eady's claim that he did not know the device had been fitted to his Range Rover was not accepted by the jury.

The LT400 is said to be the first device of its kind available in Britain and is sold with the warning that it should only be used for the purposes for which it was designed - opening things.

However, sales literature makes clear it interferes with other radar devices, including police speed guns, though it maintains that when it senses a police gun it switches off after five seconds.

One sales page points out that "as well as functioning as an automatic remote control system, the LT400 is also an effective counter-measure against police speed laser guns.

The system will alert you effectively to the presence of police laser and whilst ensuring that no speed reading is obtained.

"Please note that this is not legal in all countries and you should check local laws before use. "

Another page states: "Please be aware that to use it to actively interfere with police laser guns may be deemed an offence."

The device retails from around £290.

Police were alerted on June 6 last year when Eady, who owns a laboratory equipment business, drove through a 40mph zone where a mobile speed check was taking place.

Believing Eady to be speeding, an officer aimed a laser speed gun at the Range Rover but the speed was not registered and the gun instead showed an error message. He was traced to his home and police discovered the device.

There were no similar devices fitted to the door of his garage, which was used for storage. The LT400 can be bought as a car-only device or as one with a home fitting to go on a garage.

Judge Jacqueline Davies told Eady, who had driven more than 140,000 miles in the last four years: "I am satisfied that you took deliberate action in acquiring this equipment with a view to avoiding further points from a laser gun."


Again turning ordinary people into criminals. :(

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Believing Eady to be speeding, an officer aimed a laser speed gun at the Range Rover ...

I love the precise wording, probably verbatim from the officer's court statement. He has obviously been trained as to what to say. In my opinion, what operators actually do is check everyone coming into view until they get a "hit". It is notoriously difficult to form a prior opinion.

I wonder what they would have done had the accused had a garage door using this technology?

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There were no similar devices fitted to the door of his garage, which was used for storage.

Mister intelligent then :lol:

I looked at this device about 3 or 4 years ago. The combined price of the car and garage kit was about £550. I would have bought one but did not have a garage.


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It’s a pity they don’t put as much effort into other policing duties. But then again they wouldn’t be guaranteed £5000 windfall. I wonder what speed he was actually doing, was he actually speeding?

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It would be very interesting to see the video evidece. Assuming that there are white lines or other markers there I can often calculate the true speed.

I suspect they saw him drive past on a few occasions and were unable to get a speed reading and then investigated.

My garage door is pending planning appeal :cry:

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Its a shame he didn't put up more of a fight to the charge of perverting the course of justice, as it seems to be a fairly subjective law open to interpretation.


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Formed a prior opinion did he?....my fat arse he did! Liars and thieves.

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Bit of a steep fine really. I am unable to comprehend this countries justice system when muggers, vandals, burgulars, etc get minimum fines or suspended sentences and a car driving villain gets 3 points and it lasts 3 years with another 1 added for BiB etc to see, 5 years on your insurance when declaring, £60 +15 if you lie down and accept it, £5000 for this and to call it perverting the course of justice is non-sensical as he may never of ever broken a speed limit again, can they prove it.

Also if you dare to protest your innocence it costs you £100.s and when you are still found guilty on the dubious evidence you get a whacking fine out of proportion to the alleged offence.

Pity there is not as much effort put into to making this country a nicer place to live in.

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I have an LC 100 fitted to my car. Just off to get it disconnected :x .

I do have electric garage doors so perhaps I should buy one of these openers which could be programmed to open the doors. I wonder if they could have got a conviction if the door opener actually opened the doors??


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It would certainly have made it very difficult to get a conviction as the user would have reasonable cause to have the device whose primary purpose is to open the garage. I assume that it is actually legal in the UK.

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Hi all,

for those of you who have one you do not need a garage door as you can get the kit that switches on an outside security lamp that comes on automatically when your car is close enough, so that you can see turning into your driveway/front garden.

They also make them that act like the warning meter type things that tell you when you are too close to an object, oh I remember the correct name know, Parking Sensor.

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malcolmw wrote:
It would certainly have made it very difficult to get a conviction as the user would have reasonable cause to have the device whose primary purpose is to open the garage. I assume that it is actually legal in the UK.

If you are talking about a radio frequency device then there are restrictions. Low power devices operating in a specific frequency range are legal. But the power ratings and operating frequncies are chosen because they are not likely to cause interference with anything else.

Anything outside those parameters would need a transmitting licence, which will not be granted.

If you do use a non approved device you can be in very serious trouble especially if you accidentally transmit on an aviation frequency.

Ofcom officials have power of seizure without warrant of any device they have reasonable grounds to believe has been used to commit an offence. If its fixed to your car, they will take the car.

If you think speed enforcement is draconian, you ain't seen nothing yet.

Lots of useful stuff on the ofcom site.

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/ ... tandthelaw


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It would certainly have made it very difficult to get a conviction as the user would have reasonable cause to have the device whose primary purpose is to open the garage. I assume that it is actually legal in the UK.

If you are talking about a radio frequency device then there are restrictions. Low power devices operating in a specific frequency range are legal. But the power ratings and operating frequncies are chosen because they are not likely to cause interference with anything else.

Anything outside those parameters would need a transmitting licence, which will not be granted.

If you do use a non approved device you can be in very serious trouble especially if you accidentally transmit on an aviation frequency.

Ofcom officials have power of seizure without warrant of any device they have reasonable grounds to believe has been used to commit an offence. If its fixed to your car, they will take the car.

If you think speed enforcement is draconian, you ain't seen nothing yet.

Lots of useful stuff on the ofcom site.

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/ ... tandthelaw



However, this isn't transmitting on any RF frequency and therefore outside the remit of OFCOM; as we are talking about transmission of light


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It strikes me that if you set up a radar linked speed camera behind a set of rapid opening garage doors on the roadside, only cars with these devices would get caught!!! :shock:

What!!!? It COULD happen! as Bill Bailey would say! :P

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These devices have nothing to do with radar. Whoever wrote the article obviously doesn't know how they work. But then newspapers aren't very good at getting details right.

It's quite a simple thing, when it senses light at the correct wavelength (903 nm I think) it sends a bright signal back again to say "yes, open the door". It just happens this screws with laser speed meters which also use the same wavelength lasers. ;)

At least that's how I remember from reading about them a while ago.

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These devices have nothing to do with radar. Whoever wrote the article obviously doesn't know how they work. But then newspapers aren't very good at getting details right.

It's quite a simple thing, when it senses light at the correct wavelength (903 nm I think) it sends a bright signal back again to say "yes, open the door". It just happens this screws with laser speed meters which also use the same wavelength lasers. ;)

At least that's how I remember from reading about them a while ago.

I dont think it said radar did it?
I made the radar suggestion BECAUSE it would not be blinded by this device! :)

EDIT: Sorry yes, it mentions it briefly - most likely in error though - lots of people make the same mistake of calling all speed guns RADAR!

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However, this isn't transmitting on any RF frequency and therefore outside the remit of OFCOM; as we are talking about transmission of light

The original media quote used the word radar and I did start my post with the words "If you are talking about a radio frequency device".

If anyone was confused by that I am sure your post will put them right.


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i wonder if this was a one off situation :o , IMO the operators might have noticed that they could not get a lock on the vehicle, and set up a sting operation,


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I would assume the vehicle travelled along there a number of times and for some reason they noticed that it always gave errors?

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There have been previous reports in the press where Mr Stupid had one of these and kept driving past the scammers/police and of course each time only his car did not give a reading or gave an error. Obviously suspicions were raised and he was stopped.

Prosecuted I believe charged with same offence.

I also understand that they are perfectly legal if you have them to automatically do something for you. However, no doubt that will change as did the legality of detectors which are not that good anyway when you consider that you can bew zapped upto 1km away and that they only respond once you have been hit.


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