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why not make everywhere non smoking except the Isle of Wight.....quick population reshuffle and everyone is happy

There has already been a ruck at my local where the 'Smoking Area', a nice little patio in the car park, bedecked with pseudo-topiary ash receptacles that now reek of dog-piss, was taken over by a family with about sixteen obnoxious kids. The parents went into the pub and left the kids sitting in dog-end alley and got all shirty when the landlord asked them to move the kids to the garden, as they were in the smoking area and complaints had been made by customers wishing to go out for a smoke.
Eventually the parents stomped out of the premises, vowing never to return, stuffed all their ghastly spawn into a 1995 Citroen Xantia diesel and left the car park with the car farting and shitting itself as it chugged down the road.
A voice from the smoking area declared "'Ere, John - can't you do sunnink about all these f*cking diesel fumes - they're ruining my 'ealth..!"

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Aquila



Licat volare si super tergum aquila volat...

Following on from my post regarding patio heaters:



Here's an interesting fact:

.....then consider the worldwide ratio of people to patio heaters.

That's an average, so can we tax athletes, sportspersons and other energetic types?

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Prepare to be Judged

And how are they going to police that? Already, some people are smoking inside pubs and that's not being stopped... This whole thing really does make me chuckle...

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Pecunia Prius Equitas et Salus

Is this a serious point? I try to stay out of global warming threads but it's ridiculous to keep using this argument.

If I understand you correctly:
I stated it only for comparison of our overall impact against the vilified patio heaters, I realise it’s not entirely a valid comparison.
Yes our exhaled CO2 is part of a closed system but there are more related elements that must be considered which contribute to the cycling of the exhaled portion, these not being part of a closed system (processing, packaging, transport, storage, preparation of the [exhaled CO2 absorbing] food) and probably being on par with what is exhaled (unfortunately I don’t have figures).

Besides, I reckon the net amount of temporarily displaced short term (exhaled) CO2 would still swamp the net contribution of long term CO2 from Patio heaters (the latter being a drop in the ocean from that produced by cars). Hence I believe the focus on patio heaters is misguided (disregarding whatever the real global effect of released CO2 is).

Fair enough.

It's in the open air, for heaven's sake! It's not as if they're having to deal with untreated nuclear waste.



It's a guinea to a gooseberry that the bastards will try to.

The anti-smokers have won their battle - and now they want to go around bayoneting the wounded.

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Save a cow - eat a vegetarian

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"The road to a police state is paved with public safety legislation"

I wonder who will be the next target? Wheelchair users perhaps?

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Pecunia Prius Equitas et Salus

Just got back from a visit to the UK to see my family, and got the imnpression that most people are very unimpressed by the blanket smoking ban. Everyone I spoke to thinks that there should be a choice, where landlords/club-bosses can choose whether to make their establishment smoking or non smoking.

At one pub the smokers had to stand in the alley out the back, causing an obstruction to the passers-by.
At another pub I went to the bar was virtually empty, and most of the punters were enjoying their drinks outside, braving the windy weather with their cigarette-smoking friends.

As a parent I try to avoid unduly smoky places when with my kids, but surely adults can be trusted to make their own decisions about their customs, society etc.?

Wake up please, you are throwing out the baby with the bathwater!

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p.s. I am still absolutely floored by Paul's death. May 2008 be the greatest ever for SafeSpeed. His spirit lives on.

Probably.
Blue badge club seems to be mostly made up of people who want special attention rather than need it. Oh and the only way to park anywhere near Poole Quay is to become a blue badge club member. The whole thing is quite obviously being abused.

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Andrew.

Absolutely. Landlords should have been given the option to opt out of the ban - "This is a smoking pub - if you don't like it, go somewhere else". Patrons (and staff) could then make up their own minds, instead of being treated like retarded children. And what right has the government to dictate the smoking policy of private clubs, for heaven's sake? Whether it's a gentlemen's club in Pall Mall or a Working Men's Club in Wigan, they should be able to decide their own smoking policy - anyone who disagreed with it is under no compulsion to join.



Not in this "nanny knows best" State they can't.

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Save a cow - eat a vegetarian

OK, Dusty, I'll take you up on that. How about if this week I smoke my usual 3oz of pipe tobacco, and you ingest 3oz of untreated nuclear waste?

Let me know how you get on.

(hope those sandbags are lead-lined!)

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Save a cow - eat a vegetarian

Reverse challange!

You eat 100mg of nicotine!
I eat a 100mg pellet of PuO!

Guess who will still be alive in the morning (and for a good many years hence, God willing)

In all seriousness. There is enough nicotine in 3Oz of baccie to kill you outright, it is just that smoking is not a terribly effecient way of transfering nicotine from the tobacco into the body (fortunatly)


Nicotine is actually incredably toxic.(far more toxic than, say, coccaine) as little as 40mg as a single dose can be fatal. You can make a very effective insecticide by boiling up and straining a couple of handfulls of but ends.


furthermore, Whilst researching the effects of nicotine (Not as part of an anti-smoking crusade, but because somebody I know did a silly thing insofar as he wolfed down a packet of nicorette in the space of 10 minuts and ended up in hospital hooked up to an ECG machine! ) I also discovererd a claim that whilst 14% (or so) of schitzophrenics seem to have a history of hash smoking, in excess of 75% have a history of tobacco smoking! IE the link between tobacco use and mental illness is far stronger than the claimed link with cannabis use. I just wonder whether studies into the alledged link between hash and schitzophernia distingushed between users of pure herbal hash and those who used resing mixed with tobacco which could have a completly diferent long term effect!.

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"The road to a police state is paved with public safety legislation"

It's more likely that those scared of their own minds tend to seek comfort from cigarettes or hash. Or even that 'less stable' personalities tend towards addictive or experimental behaviours.

Correlation does not imply causation.

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

I agree! (indeed I believe it is one of the theories) However I would still be interested to know if the Hash investigators made the distiction that I quiried?

What is more, saying that "14% of schitzophrenics are Hash smokers" is *NOT* the same thing as saying "14% of hash smokers develop schitzophrenia"

Unfortunatly (as with many other statisics such as accedents claimed to be related to DUI/Speeding/ Mobile phone use etc) politicians, campaigners and the media typically confuse the two!

EG DUI! climing that one shouldnt D&D because you are "10 times more likly to have an accedent" sounds Sooo much more impressive than saying that the probabaility that a sober driver can get home without incident is 99.99999% but a drunk driver is *only* likly to achieve a 99.9999% sucess rate (IYSWIM)

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"The road to a police state is paved with public safety legislation"

Hi guys,

I know this is little to do with speed cameras (which I hate like the devil himself ), but since you were all expressing your disgust at the smoking ban, I thought it appropriate to sign up just to let you know: you aren't alone!

Come to www.freedom2choose.co.uk and learn all about the harsh, uncompromising law, the junk science used to justify it, the rise of intolerance against smokers, and the resulting resistance which is growing day by day. We're not just a bunch of keyboard warriors -- we have thousands of members, contacts within Westminster, plenty of media coverage, and our "piece de resistance": a Judicial Review of the legislation about to commence!

It'd be great to have you as a part of it -- there's lots intelligent folks such as yourselves could contribute. Some of the posters you've knocked together in this thread look a lot like our official ones! Why not design some more for us?

Best regards,
Hughster (a lifelong non-smoker)

P.S. Sorry if this message looks like spam, it's hard to make a posting like this without it looking like it. Would it help if I mentioned that this is the Safe Speed Forum, discussing the campaign for genuine road safety? There, I can't be a spambot, can I? Unless I'm a really, really clever one.

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A FAIR DEAL FOR SMOKERS
www.freedom2choose.co.uk

Hmm, so since when has Plutonium Oxide been untreated nuclear waste? Chucking away the good stuff there!

Try inhaling a lungful of radon or two instead, mister picky-choosy!