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 Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law   Topic: Smoking in Cars,,My Mate's are now POLICEMEN.

Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 01:15 

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Quote: Anti-smoking is the new anti-semitism. I can't agree with you Yes, bringing up Nazism / anti-semitism is always a risky practice in these debates. However, the author does not make light reference in this case. His point is that Hitler was the first leader to attempt a widespread smoking ban...

 Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law   Topic: Smoking in Cars,,My Mate's are now POLICEMEN.

Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 23:41 

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Those of you who complacently agree with the smoking ban on private premises, including pubs, would do well to read this. I make no apologies to the author - one "Idlex" - for lifting it from another blog. It has now been exactly 6 months since the smoking ban came into force. The anger t...

 Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law   Topic: Smoking in Cars,,My Mate's are now POLICEMEN.

Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 20:38 

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And that is a good enough reason for a universal ban on smoking in pubs too, eh? Even in a separate room, leaving non-smokers untroubled? Preserving your sensitivitives at a rock concert is a good enough reason for watching OAPs turned out on the street, communities fragmented and the destruction of...

 Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law   Topic: New super-cameras to target smoking, eating & phoning...

Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 16:51 

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SteveCharlton, you have not answered my question. If traffic-activated signs (advisory, shaming) can have a similar effect in my village to the Gatso (punative, secretive) in yours, why are you so in love with speed cameras?

 Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law   Topic: New super-cameras to target smoking, eating & phoning...

Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 15:47 

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The outcome after the installation of cameras on a road near my house was increased safety in reality and in perception. Your view seems to be strongly influenced by this camera in your street. Well, a speed detector appeared recently in our village just 50 yards or so from my house. It certainly h...

 Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law   Topic: New super-cameras to target smoking, eating & phoning...

Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 11:26 

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Things to do to avoid pedestrians hitting cars: Make drinking and walking illegal (do you know the percentage of pedestrians hitting cars that are "under the influence ?) Make using mobile phones and walking illegal. Make walking with your ears bunged-up with walkman/ipod earpieces illegal. Gr...

 Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law   Topic: Smoking in Cars,,My Mate's are now POLICEMEN.

Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 10:53 

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True, jomukuk, the state is a slippery character. But the legislation it produces is, for the most part, a product of the government of the day (who are now burdened with EU law as well, of course). The demeanour of the state is also influenced by government; for instance the creeping politicization...

 Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law   Topic: New super-cameras to target smoking, eating & phoning...

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 22:53 

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Magnificent post, Bombus.

 Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law   Topic: Smoking in Cars,,My Mate's are now POLICEMEN.

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 01:23 

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Having watched this threat for a couple of weeks since last contributing, I have the greatest admiration for the standard of discussion here, which remains measured and mature. A point or three. End of debate (Adam.L). Like Smeggy, I abhor this put-down. It is a lazy copy of frighteners used by the ...

 Forum: Paul Smith, RIP   Topic: Condolences

Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 11:05 

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I am stunned. What a terrible loss. Paul was one of those rare people with the courage of his convictions to promote an important cause in the face of continued ridicule and abuse from the establishment. Never once did one feel he was doing it for personal gain; quite the reverse at times. If only o...

 Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law   Topic: Smoking in Cars,,My Mate's are now POLICEMEN.

Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 11:00 

Replies: 166
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Your human rights are not being violated and the gov was elected with that measure in the manifesto. I despair of people like you. The Labour manifesto was to introduce restrictions , expressly not an outright ban in pubs. People voted for them on that promise. This is widely recognised as one of t...

 Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law   Topic: Smoking in Cars,,My Mate's are now POLICEMEN.

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 07:32 

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Like the report damning an artificial sweetener was funded by the US sugar industry, and a report condemning sugar was funded by the US sweetener industry. Exactly. If you can't win the argument then discredit the proposer. It's the cheapest shot of all, and we see it often these days. The question...

 Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law   Topic: Smoking in Cars,,My Mate's are now POLICEMEN.

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 15:58 

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Or maybe you'd like to read THIS rebuttal of the Enstrom and Kabat "research" Of course it has been challenged. Every single paper ever written on the subject, from whatever angle, has been challenged. But the House of Lords came closest. Reviewing the leglisation after it has been passed...

 Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law   Topic: Smoking in Cars,,My Mate's are now POLICEMEN.

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 00:55 

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... a law that says a structure with three walls is illegal as a smoking shelter really is just aching for someone to have a go at it through the courts. Interesting one. I'm not sure if anyone has questioned the legality of the smoking shelter rules. Unfortunately, freedom2choose has had to abando...

 Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law   Topic: Smoking in Cars,,My Mate's are now POLICEMEN.

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 00:13 

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Thatsnews wrote:
Signs do not have to be placed on any door on a church, let alone every door.


Oh for goodness sake, man. A door... a porch. A side door if it's used at Christmas and Easter but not Ash Wednesday...

A plague on the whole rotten business.

 Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law   Topic: Smoking in Cars,,My Mate's are now POLICEMEN.

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 23:58 

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Who undertook the studies you refer to? Allow me to answer that. The 38-year Enstrom and Kabat study, published in the British Medical Journal "Conclusions: The results do not support a causal relation between environmental tobacco smoke and tobacco related mortality, although they do not rule...

 Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law   Topic: Smoking in Cars,,My Mate's are now POLICEMEN.

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 23:48 

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This started as a discussion about smoking on four wheels, so let's examine the situation further. Thatsnews, tell us if you think the following are fair: A tractor driver in the middle of a field, miles from the nearest human being, could be fined £50 - and the farmer fined £2500 - if he lights a r...

 Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law   Topic: Smoking in Cars,,My Mate's are now POLICEMEN.

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 19:54 

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It's not so much pubs as bingo halls who are feeling the brunt of the smoking ban. Absolutely. They're falling like ninepins. And the great tragedy is that bingo was, for many older people who can't afford lavish entertainment, one of their few social pleasures. In our pub there were a couple of ol...

 Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law   Topic: Smoking in Cars,,My Mate's are now POLICEMEN.

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 16:25 

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Yes. They (publicans) could have done. But they didn't. Why? They could not be bothered. Odd how they can bother to whine well after the ban on smoking was introduced. Not odd at all. They were not given a chance to put their houses in order. There has never been any legal requirement for separatio...

 Forum: Speed, Safety, Driving and The Law   Topic: Smoking in Cars,,My Mate's are now POLICEMEN.

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 23:58 

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As a socially considerate person, yet an ardent non-smoker, I would have fully supported that proposal. Thank you, Smeggy. That is what two-thirds of the population told the government in its own surveys (see ONS polls), yet somehow our spinmeisters managed to turn it into "a substantial major...
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